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Goals/Standards Semantics Urination Tournament

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AKAKBUCK;1001481; said:
Boy.... change that 1 in 15 to one in 16, and you an lv are saying exactly the same thing.

Its really a question of expectation... and... anyone who was "excpecting" us to run the table going into this year needs to have their head examined.

But... if you did, then you ought to get on the "Fire Tressel" bandwagon... because he failed... if that's the expectation.
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Expectations and goals/standards are different. Just because we as fans didn't expect something doesn't mean the players and coaches don't, and it sure as heck doesn't mean our standards should be lowered to accomodate our fluctuating expectations.

Also, not meeting the goal or the standard doesn't automatically mean I think the coach ought to be fired. Far from that. Not every scientist succeeds on the first try, but if we just fire them or cut off funding after a few failure, yeah, let's see how many medical breakthroughs we'd have now....
 
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Tresselbeliever;1001471; said:
And come on, winning a title, how unrealistic is that? I mean how big is it a pool to choose from? OSU, Oklahoma, Texas, SC, Miami....no more than 15 teams on any given year. What's so unrealistic about winning it when you only got 14 other teams with "realistic" shots at it?
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AKAKBUCK;1001481; said:
Boy.... change that 1 in 15 to one in 16, and you an lv are saying exactly the same thing.
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Gee, that 16 coincidently matches the number of team in I-AA, II, and III football playoffs. Go figure...
 
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Tresselbeliever;1001498; said:
Expectations and goals/standards are different. Just because we as fans didn't expect something doesn't mean the players and coaches don't, and it sure as heck doesn't mean our standards should be lowered to accomodate our fluctuating expectations.

Also, not meeting the goal or the standard doesn't automatically mean I think the coach ought to be fired. Far from that. Not every scientist succeeds on the first try, but if we just fire them or cut off funding after a few failure, yeah, let's see how many medical breakthroughs we'd have now....
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You keep attempting to use this scientific analogy to explain your point of view. Since I'm a chemist, I'm going to spell it out as to why your POV is wrong.

When I'm developing a product, I look at past experiences (failures and successes) to come up with what I know/hope will work. There are tangibles that are concrete, and there are intangibles that are hypothetical, varialbe, unexpected, etc. Point being: no one bats 1.000 when it comes to scientific inquiry; however, this is exactly what your STANDARD/GOAL is every year for TOSU (capital T) Buckeyes. Striving for perfection is one thing. Hoping for it is another. But expecting it year in and year out is setting oneself up for manic depression. And it's all because of the things that we cannot control. As lv stated very, VERY well, tOSU Buckeyes have the control to win against scUM and the Big Ten Championship. The Bowl Games are NOT in our control. We can hope and nothing more. And this hope is predicated on winning against scUM and the Big Ten Championship IF YOU WANT TO PLAY IN A NC.
 
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Tresselbeliever;1001505; said:
Well, am I wrong? Is that not the best MSU fans hope for nowdays? Isn't that their standard?
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You're wrong, but not because of how these fans perceive it.

You're wrong, because MSU and Purdue and whomever else you want to label as a piece of shit does not actually do this on a regular basis. When was the last time MSU and/or Purdue beat scUM AND won the Big Ten Championship? I would like an answer, if you have one.
 
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muffler dragon;1001517; said:
You keep attempting to use this scientific analogy to explain your point of view. Since I'm a chemist, I'm going to spell it out as to why your POV is wrong.

When I'm developing a product, I look at past experiences (failures and successes) to come up with what I know/hope will work. There are tangibles that are concrete, and there are intangibles that are hypothetical, varialbe, unexpected, etc. Point being: no one bats 1.000 when it comes to scientific inquiry; however, this is exactly what your STANDARD/GOAL is every year for TOSU (capital T) Buckeyes. Striving for perfection is one thing. Hoping for it is another. But expecting it year in and year out is setting oneself up for manic depression. And it's all because of the things that we cannot control. As lv stated very, VERY well, tOSU Buckeyes have the control to win against scUM and the Big Ten Championship. The Bowl Games are NOT in our control. We can hope and nothing more. And this hope is predicated on winning against scUM and the Big Ten Championship IF YOU WANT TO PLAY IN A NC.
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Dude you just repeated what I said. Expectations do change year to year, but the standard doesn't. The standard at Ohio State will always to beat Michigan AND to win the National Title. Schools like MSU, their standard is to beat Michigan only. You want us to drop down to their level? If you don't, then we are in agreement. That's all I'm saying man. That's all I'm sayin.
 
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sandgk;1001548; said:
Definitely a no-no.
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Yeah... unless Mcilhenny is making icing these days.

By the way.... when we're talking about "standards" does this look like a flag in anyone else's head?

Hmmm... what would be substandard?

IF there is more than one standard, umm, criteria instead of criterion... maybe everyone is sort of right...

But for the spicy icing.
 
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Tresselbeliever;1001544; said:
Dude you just repeated what I said. Expectations do change year to year, but the standard doesn't. The standard at Ohio State will always to beat Michigan AND to win the National Title. Schools like MSU, their standard is to beat Michigan only. You want us to drop down to their level? If you don't, then we are in agreement. That's all I'm saying man. That's all I'm sayin.
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let's put it this way: if we don't beat TSUN and win the Big Ten, what chance do we have to play for the MNC?

i'm not arguing goals or expectations. i'm putting it in the right (IMHO) perspective.
 
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Tresselbeliever;1001544; said:
Dude you just repeated what I said.
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How you perceive that is beyond me. Anyway...

Tb said:
Expectations do change year to year, but the standard doesn't. The standard at Ohio State will always to beat Michigan AND to win the National Title. Schools like MSU, their standard is to beat Michigan only. You want us to drop down to their level? If you don't, then we are in agreement. That's all I'm saying man. That's all I'm sayin.
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Personally, the STANDARD for tOSU has never been to win the NC. It's been a desire/hope. The controllable expectation of each year is to beat scUM and win the Big Ten Championship. For me, a season of Bucks football is not a success or failure based on the National Championship. And this is exactly what you are intimating when you make it your STANDARD. I'm starting to wonder if you realize this.

According to Merriam-Webster's, this is the definition that fits your usage:

4: something set up and established by authority as a rule for the measure of quantity, weight, extent, value, or quality

For me, the "value" or "quality" of a Bucks season does not rest on the NC. But that's just me.

Furthermore, the probability of consistent play in the NC is quite low. Even in a field of 16, the probability is less than 6 percent. One does not establish the STANDARD for their acceptability of a season on six percent. To do so is to set oneself up for massive dissappointment.
 
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