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Goals/Standards Semantics Urination Tournament

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muffler dragon;1001623; said:
How you perceive that is beyond me. Anyway...



Personally, the STANDARD for tOSU has never been to win the NC. It's been a desire/hope. The controllable expectation of each year is to beat scUM and win the Big Ten Championship. For me, a season of Bucks football is not a success or failure based on the National Championship. And this is exactly what you are intimating when you make it your STANDARD. I'm starting to wonder if you realize this.

According to Merriam-Webster's, this is the definition that fits your usage:

4: something set up and established by authority as a rule for the measure of quantity, weight, extent, value, or quality

For me, the "value" or "quality" of a Bucks season does not rest on the NC. But that's just me.

Furthermore, the probability of consistent play in the NC is quite low. Even in a field of 16, the probability is less than 6 percent. One does not establish the STANDARD for their acceptability of a season on six percent. To do so is to set oneself up for massive dissappointment.
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I get your point about the difficulty in winning the national title. However, it is wrong to say that the "controllable expectation", or whatever the heck that is, is beating Michigan and winning the B10. We are not talking about Kansas or Hawaii here. Heck, even Kansas is playing in the title game if they win out. Just exactly how many times has Ohio State been shut out of the title game while going undefeated? That's right, none. So yes, they do control their destiny.

As far as the success or failure resting on winning the NC, in some years, the answer is yes. In most years, even when Ohio State had good teams, the answer is no. Ask John Cooper what the standard was in '98.
 
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Tresselbeliever;1001817; said:
I get your point about the difficulty in winning the national title. However, it is wrong to say that the "controllable expectation", or whatever the heck that is, is beating Michigan and winning the B10. We are not talking about Kansas or Hawaii here. Heck, even Kansas is playing in the title game if they win out. Just exactly how many times has Ohio State been shut out of the title game while going undefeated? That's right, none. So yes, they do control their destiny.
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It's become evident that you and I are not going to be on the same wavelength. The horse has been beaten enough with trying to explain to my POV.

Tb said:
As far as the success or failure resting on winning the NC, in some years, the answer is yes. In most years, even when Ohio State had good teams, the answer is no. Ask John Cooper what the standard was in '98.
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Considering John Cooper got fired (primarily), because of his record against scUM, I would say that the STANDARD was beating scUM.
 
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It's become evident that you and I are not going to be on the same wavelength. The horse has been beaten enough with trying to explain to my POV.
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Likewise.


Considering John Cooper got fired (primarily), because of his record against scUM, I would say that the STANDARD was beating scUM.
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And let's just leave the hypothetical scenario that Cooper wins the NC in '98 and what would have happened then to discuss in another day...
 
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It's a bitch being a fan of a great team.

If we were fans of Florida International, we could all agree that the team is expected to lose every game, to have no goals of winning anything, and we would all get along marvelously.
 
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