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while i see your point, rb, i don't look really look at tressel's decisions on a player-by-player basis. no coach can attain 100% perfection in recruiting. however, on a class-by-class basis, i cannot question his decisions. the results speak for themselves.

with torrence and thomas in the class, i am more than happy with having these two running backs/athletes.
 
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OH10;977327; said:
Like I said, for high school, those are 'good' numbers - but not spectacular. I remember one game where Haw had like 6 carries for 300+ yards and 6 touchdowns. That's spectacular - but it never translated in college football.
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Are you kidding me? Near back-to-back 2,000 yard seasons is VERY impressive. Just because someone can put up better stats, like a Sam McGuffie, doesn't diminish what Beanie did.
 
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Keep in mind also that he was not only injured, but had a pretty competent back splitting carries with him. He might be your lead dog, but only a truly awful coach *cough* Lloyd *cough* is going to run an injured player into the ground when he has another player that is perfectly capable at getting the job done.
 
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Heck I think Roy Hall had one catch his senior year...

High school stats mean absolutely nothing when it comes to projecting kids to college...

Grad already gave the example of Ben Mauk...

I can see if someone wants to question a player, on ability and how they project to base it on their stats is off base IMO...If they did ratings on that I promise you that the people doing the rankings would be out of job pretty fast...
 
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The big criticism by some of Chris Wells his senior year was that he struggled with the good competition he faced. He had something like 100 yards on 30 carries against Hoban, and IIRC he had an unspectacular game against Green. He put up most of his yards against weaker city teams.

However, like Torrence, he had some injuries his senior year and he had a pretty mediocre O-line(even more so when you consider they ran him nearly every play). Torrence though, unlike Beanie, didn't have an easy schedule to fall back on. Put Torrence and Massilon against city series teams, and he rushes for 2000 yards easy.

Don't discout the o-line factor and the schedule factor.
 
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Napoleonbuck;977421; said:
Don't discout the o-line factor and the schedule factor.
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Don't discount the factor that Beanie was the top rated recruit in the country by many accounts, regardless of position. The expectations for Devoe aren't nearly as high. That's not to say he's not a quality recruit or won't turn into a great player. I'm just not sure if Beanie is the right recruit to compare him too. I think Saine might be a better comparison in this case; someone who played against a weaker schedule than Devoe has had to face and had better stats to show for it.
 
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crazybuckfan40;977400; said:
High school stats mean absolutely nothing when it comes to projecting kids to college...

Grad already gave the example of Ben Mauk...
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That is just an incorrect statement. "Absolutely nothing"? No, they aren't the most important factor in evaluating a player, but of course they mean "something."

For every Ben Mauk, I can find a Ben Roethlisberger. Something told me that he was a special player when he threw for 5,000 yards his senior year at Findlay. Guess what? He was a special player.

I am not one to worry about the offer to Torrence, for the record. I do trust the staff and the eyewitness evaluations more than stats. But I don't throw stats out the window. Desire to win and production matter.
 
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OSU_Buckguy;977361; said:
while i see your point, rb, i don't look really look at tressel's decisions on a player-by-player basis. no coach can attain 100% perfection in recruiting. however, on a class-by-class basis, i cannot question his decisions. the results speak for themselves.

with torrence and thomas in the class, i am more than happy with having these two running backs/athletes.
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Certainly and that's why you can disagree possibly if you have a seemingly legit reason, but you trust the decision because none of us have won 5 National Championships. No coach will be perfect certainly and as far as evaluating talent, there is none better in the biz than JT. I think most of the times I have questioned a player we have taken they ended up proving me wrong anyways, like Spitler and Washington. In this case though, I am ecstatic with landing both Torrence and Thomas. They are both going to be special players here whatever position they play. Also, JT doesn't give out many NLOID schollies out and many may forget DeVoe was one of them.
 
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RB07OSU;977357; said:
I think civil discourse occasionally is acceptable if you have good reasoning because even JT can make his mistakes. However, I do trust his decisions even if I disagree because 9 times out of 10 he is usually right on. Last year I was a bit upset because it seemed we put all our eggs in one basket at DT and would be weak in the middle. Whether we can stop the inside against a good team remains to be seen after Kinlaw and PSU gashed our D last week. Was my argument legit? It appears it's possible (even though not many freshman make an impact at DT anyways), however we have/are going to clean up at DT/DL in '08 and '09. To question JT too much though is likely not legit though, so I agree in that aspect. In this case though I can't see a valid argument against JT though because DeVoe has exactly what the staff wants in a RB regardless of what his stats were this year. As someone else mentioned, Beachum can't touch DeVoe's burst, athleticism, and hands.
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This was what I was trying to say, but you said it better. I think it's OK to question things because while the staff is absolutely fantastic at this evaluation process, misses still do occur from time to time.

And the responses that several have had regarding the concerns on Devoe should help ease any concern.
 
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OH10;977327; said:
Like I said, for high school, those are 'good' numbers - but not spectacular. I remember one game where Haw had like 6 carries for 300+ yards and 6 touchdowns. That's spectacular - but it never translated in college football.
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Which should show you stats don't carry too much weight in recruiting. Wells was the #1 overall recruit, wasn't he? And it looks like he'd doing a tad better than Haw in college.
 
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jimotis4heisman;977362; said:
jim tressel>any bp poster
unless someone here i dont know about has how many ncs, and has the second best record amongst major college coaches since 2001 and oh yeah the best since 2002...

the end.

discussion is interesting, but please leave that to the discussion thread, not player threads.

thanks.
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Yes, but Charlie Weis>Jim Tressel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I kid, I kid. It's a joke. No, really. I was kidding :wink:

Tressel is a phenomenal recruiter and does a great job of player development, and I'd say he's one of the top 5 coaches and recruiters in the country. I really don't know how anyone can question his decisions.
 
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COULD NO. 1 RECRUIT TERRELLE PRYOR BE A BUST?: A look at past top-ranked recruits

January 15, 2008
By SCOTT BELL
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If Michigan gets its coveted commitment from Terrelle Pryor, the nation's No. 1 recruit according to Rivals.com, is the dual-threat quarterback guaranteed to be a star?
Most people who have seen Pryor play would say yes. But history isn't exactly on their side.

Over the past five seasons, no top-ranked quarterback has received All-American honors. Only Georgia's Matthew Stafford, 2006's top-ranked signal caller, has come close to reaching his potential. In his second season under center, Stafford led the Bulldogs to an 11-2 season highlighted by a Sugar Bowl victory this month.

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