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Game Thread Game Two: Texas 25, Ohio State 22 (final)

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Expect VY and Texas to get smashed in the mouth quite a bit. We have heard all about their OL & DL and their talented QB, however scUM's OL & DL are quite highly rated and they have much better and balanced weapons at the skill positions than Texas.

I'm dying to see VY continue to try and make too much happen on every play. I've watched 2003 & 2004 highlight videos, and after getting wrapped up on a sack he twirls around and makes a throw. There were well over a half dozen times where another blindside tackler could have forced a fumble easily. He also doesn't tuck that ball away very well at all (it got a little better in the 04 videos). VY has to prove he can beat a defense with a good DL, the best LBs in america who can fly... do not overpursue... and tackle better than anyone, and one of the best secondaries in america.

VY has a lot to prove. His WRs are very untested and seemed very green in the scrimmage videos from this spring. Smith has a lot more experience at wideout.

Another thing that has not been addressed: Ginn's yardage with the ball NEVER came on a bomb. Not once. Almost all of his plays involved him catching short passes and breaking them for huge gains. Occasionally he caught 15 yard passes and made more of them, but most of his highlights came with most of the defense in front of him.

From the looks of it, your wideouts seemed to gain a lot more yardage on bombs and fades, or VY buying time and them eventually getting open. All of this is based on the highlight reels of course, I just think that Texas is going to have a heck of a time trying to shut down Ginn's athleticism and versatility without leaving single coverage for one of the best WR's in america in Holmes as well as the rest of our guys, let alone the option for draws and options with Smith/Pittman/Wells.

Vaevictis said:
Whew, what a long, long thread. Okay, so I'm an OU fan, but strangely after OU, I root for Nebraska first and UT second (still hate the buggers, but they're neighbors after all).
Did you read the whole thread? That's admirable if so. Second of all, someone get this man an OU medal.
 
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I dunno if you guys remember this play but I was watching the K-State game yesterday for some reason and I saw a play I loved. It was a play where Roberson started running left and Sproles tried to cut under to the right (of course he got stopped for a loss). I don't know about you but I'd love to see Wells do this play.

I definatly agree with BFS- Ginn's yardage came from slants, outs, ins, and screens. Anything BUT streak routes/fades. BFS also made a good point I never thought about also when he compared them to michigan. I have to agree both Michigan and Texas do have similar O-line/D-line talent. The difference is Michigan had a very good running back and a very deep recieving core.

Now once again Texas could definatly win this ball game, but like I've said before I just think more than VY has to step up to win this game.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
That has got to be the stupiest example I've ever heard on a message board. Miami, Ohio's all-time team couldn't beat our walk-ons 52-7...
*rollseyes* That has got to be the stupidest reply that that *I* have ever seen on a message board. The fact that it's rediculous is the whole freaking point. OkState going up by 40something points on Texas? Before the OkState/Texas game, a lot of Texas fans would have said the exact same thing.

Cmon. I know the disbelief upon hearing that statement is reflexive, but try to think about what you're typing before hitting that "Submit Reply" button, eh?
 
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Vaevictis said:
OkState going up by 40something points on Texas? Before the OkState/Texas game, a lot of Texas would have said the exact same thing.

No MAC has ever, ever come close to putting that kind of lead on us. Besides, Oklahoma State's biggest lead in that game last year was 28 points (35-7), not 40-something, nor 45 points like your 52-7 Miami, Ohio over us example.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
No MAC has ever, ever come close to putting that kind of lead on us. Besides, Oklahoma State's biggest lead in that game last year was 28 points (35-7), not 40-something, nor 45 points like your 52-7 Miami, Ohio over us example.
I stand in awe of your ability to completely miss the point. Yay. Fine, whatever, since some of you can't seem to wrap your mind around a hypothetical situation that I never suggested happened, how about "That's like you guys going down 41-7 to the Indiana Hoosiers." Pfft. Do you feel better now that I've mentioned something that could have and has happened? :p

And yes, that video is f'in hilarious. I just love watching OkState get trashed. (Heh, it's _really_ hard not to say "OSU" when I reference OkState :) )
 
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Vaevictis said:
...since some of you can't seem to wrap your mind around a hypothetical situation that I never suggested happened, how about "That's like you guys going down 41-7 to the Indiana Hoosiers." Pfft. Do you feel better now that I've mentioned something that could have and has happened?

That 41-7 game was in 1988, and was a result of a very rare time when Indiana actually had a much better team than we did (they were 8-3-1 that year while we were 4-6-1 in our first year under Cooper). Aside from Indiana's 1967 Big Ten championship team, their 1988 team was their best since 1945. Conversely, our 1988 team was only the third Ohio State team with a losing record since 1947. So the stars lined up just right for them. Plus that game was at Indiana...we'll never play at Miami, Oh, at their place and Miami, Oh, will never have a much better team than us. Nice try, thanks for playing.
 
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Mr. V. says:
You have to SELL Texas on the fact that they're outclassed. If you do that, you win, but you have to do it from the outset. If you let them get any confidence, you're in for a fight. But, some teams cannot be sold on this, some teams have absolutely zero quit. This is not something I have noticed of late in the Big XII. OU has a problem with this, Texas has a problem with this, TAMU has a problem with this, OSU has a problem with this, and ALL of the north has a problem with this.

This passage is telling. You realize that this is a coaching problem that manifests itself on the field? This also may compound a small lack of team confidence?? It took a prayer for Texas to beat a scUM team we spanked in the Horseshoe. Do you believe this won't stink up the place a smidgen at the 'Shoe where inspiration will have to come from within?
Why does a team that should compete for NC's with top 5 (#1 at times) 'cruit classes, need to be woke up to play like champs?

Right now, we here do not believe we can be "outclassed" by anyone. We only have to play our game according to the law.....JTs ofcourse! :wink2:
 
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Why does a team that should compete for NC's with top 5 (#1 at times) 'cruit classes, need to be woke up to play like champs?

I could write a dissertation on this topic but it still wouldn't produce a definitive answer.

By the way, we haven't had a top 5 class since 2002. This year, Rivals had us at 17 I think. But this is in part due to the smaller size of the classes since then (usually 17-20 in number).
 
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EngineerHorn said:
By the way, we haven't had a top 5 class since 2002. This year, Rivals had us at 17 I think. But this is in part due to the smaller size of the classes since then (usually 17-20 in number).
In part due to the smaller size, and in part because Adrian Peterson and Rhett Bomar decided to become land-thieves the same year.
 
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EngineerHorn said:
I could write a dissertation on this topic but it still wouldn't produce a definitive answer.

By the way, we haven't had a top 5 class since 2002. This year, Rivals had us at 17 I think. But this is in part due to the smaller size of the classes since then (usually 17-20 in number).

Indeed. We know well about the small class ratings thing. Your dissertation would be well accepted in a Psych course I imagine... :wink2: .

The Cooper years gave us here all an education on the effects of underachieving................. :smash: I am not agreeing with Mr.V, as I do not have firsthand info. It just reminds me of some years we had here is all. :) Maybe that smashmouth style we like here will create a great game!?
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah
Yeah, whatever. I'll stop beating this dead horse now; you either have some gut reflex to go batsh*t whenever someone might mention OSU having a bad day, or you are the most rediculously obtuse person I have ever had the displeasure of having discourse with. This is the last time I'll try, but if you can't bloody get what I'm saying after this, just sit down, chill, and understand I meant absolutely NO BLOODY OFFENSE to your team. Your overblown reaction is just unbelievable.

So, to put it simply: Yes, it is UNTHINKABLE that Miami, OH should EVER gain such a lead on OSU. That's EXACTLY why I used it as the example. Is was EQUALLY unthinkable that OkState should do to Texas what was done; ask ANY Texas fan. When such an unthinkable situation happens -- a team that has no business doing so is kicking your butt -- do you attribute it to the other team being that good, or to your team playing that bad? That's why Texas pulled OkState and Kansas out -- it wasn't that OSU and Kansas were that good, it's that Texas was sucking, and Texas knew it. Texas' spirit was not crushed like against OU when OU comes out and smacks em.

Now, if you still don't get what I'm saying -- and just to repeat, it's NOT that Miami, OH has ever or would ever do this -- then just move along, there's nothing for you to see here. I can't state it any more plainly, or any more clearly. If you still find your gut turning and your ire rising, just pass my reply, and say, "That dude and I will never see eye to eye, there's no point in responding." And if you can't manage it, know that I will, and that this will be my last post on that subject.

[QUOTE='68Flask]You realize that this is a coaching problem that manifests itself on the field?[/QUOTE] Oh, yes indeed. Go on over to some Sooner boards sometime, and look at some of the past threads. You will find much rejoicing every time it is announced that Brown isn't fired, that he hasn't changed coaches, that he's got an extension, whatever. Mack Brown is a good administrator, and he is a good recruiter. However, he ain't such a good game-day coach, and he is a VERY bad manager with respect to replacing non-performers (ie, a certain offensive coordinator who I will not name here).

Mack Brown is soft, and when the head coach is soft, it's usually reflected in the team. Maybe this year will be different; I think VY might have it in him to resist the bad effects of his soft coaching staff. Last year, his leadership lead to some resilience in Texas' play; I'm curious to see if it was a fluke, or the real deal. For my own team's sake, I hope it was a fluke, but if it wasn't, I'll give him due respect at the end of the season.
 
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