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EngineerHorn
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whaaaaaaaa.......???? You sound like a Texas fan, or someone that follows UT recruting and uses the Longhorn vernacular.
Of course, I suppose it is common knowledge to any recruiting junkie where the top QB and RB went to, and in what fashion.
V's meter is growing more green than a wealthy pot dealer.
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Vaevictis
Woof.
OSU's old timers have cause to be a little bit cross with us. Not talking trash or anything, but my young mind vaguely recalls as a child my father talking about OU beating OSU at #2/#3 back in the 70'sEngineerHorn said:
You can be sure there are some young OU fans who will be talking about USC with the same venom in twenty years or so. (Heh, I met several of them at the OB last year).
And for the sake of defending the honor of Oklahomans everywhere -- well heck guys, unless your family history is tribal, we're ALL land thieves in these United States. The real difference between us and you is that we can't and don't hide the fact that we're land thieves.
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LightningRod
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Did your father also tell you about the score on the return trip to Norman in 1983?
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Vaevictis
Woof.
LOL, does anyone ever reminisce about losing? Other than '71 OU/Nebraska, I can't think of any games where the losing team reminisces about it. No sir, we remember the good times and forget the bad times if we can.LightningRod said:
It's the same for you, yes? :)Hah, on some boards, Sooner fans refer to the Orange Bowl as "the game of which we do not speak", and it's only been what, 5 months? A game lost 22 years ago? Probably not remembered at all, unless a fan of the other team brings it up... unless of course, it's '71 OU/Nebraska, or '57 OU/Notre Dame, or whatever equivelents the individual fan's team may have.
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tibor75
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nice read. One of the better internet writers out there
Justified impatience
OSU fans can't wait for Texas game, for good reason
Posted: Tuesday May 31, 2005 12:04PM; Updated: Tuesday May 31, 2005 1:45PM
If the Mailbag audience is in any way a representative cross-section of the college football public at large, there's no question Ohio State fans (at least right now) are either the most populous, the most fanatical, the most obsessive or, perhaps, the most bored.
Since I first put out the call for Mailbag submissions in mid-April, Buckeye-related inquiries have dwarfed those of any other team by at least two-to-one. Among the topics on OSU fans' minds: "Will Jim Tressel finally open up his historically vanilla offense?" "Can Ted Ginn Jr. win the Heisman?" "How will the Troy Smith/Justin Zwick situation resolve itself?" "Will the running game be better?" "Would you say our linebackers are insanely awesome or just ridiculously awesome?" And, the ever-present (and certainly not unique to Buckeye fans), "Why does the media hate us?"
Strangely, few have involved the question I've found myself wondering lately: "Which lineup will have more OSU players in it this season, the Buckeyes' starting offense or the Franklin County Sheriff's Office?"
No, the most popular topic among the Scarlet-and-Gray crowd these days goes something like this:
Will Ohio State's linebackers and defensive backs be able to shut down Texas quarterback Vince Young on Sept. 10?
--Dave Mast, Columbus, Ohio
Rarely has there been so much anticipation so far in advance for an early-season game than there is for Texas-Ohio State, and with good reason. Once upon a time, a Miami would play a Notre Dame, a Michigan would play a Florida State, and it was absolutely, positively huge. These days, though, major, intersectional matchups -- and by that I mean two non-conference, top-10 teams that wouldn't normally face each other -- have become increasingly rare.
When you think about it, other than USC-Auburn in 2003, nearly all of the biggest early-season games the past five years or so have involved either teams from the same state (Florida vs. Miami in 2002 and '03), teams from the same conference (the annual mid-September Florida-Tennessee game) or teams that might have fit the above description in a previous era but in which aren't quite top-10 material anymore (Alabama's series with Oklahoma comes to mind).
Why have such marquee games largely gone by the wayside? Well for one, it's a lot more profitable for an Ohio State to play a home game against a Kent State every year than it is to schedule a home-and-home with Texas. The Horseshoe will be sold out either way (producing about $3 million in revenue), but with Texas the Buckeyes have to return the favor and visit Austin the following season, thus losing out on a home game (which is why most major programs will unfortunately use the recently approved 12th game to schedule an extra home date against another patsy). Not to mention facing the Longhorns is a much more risky proposition if you think you might have a shot at the national title. So give both schools credit for bucking the trend.
As for Dave's question, I'm not going to sit here in May and break down who might do what to whom when we really have no idea what either team will look like. Maybe OSU will have a completely different defensive scheme now that coordinator Mark Snyder has left for Marshall. Maybe Texas, knowing that OSU will be expecting Young to run like crazy, will have him throw 40 times. Maybe Young will get hurt in the Louisiana-Lafayette game and won't even be playing. Who the heck knows?
All that considered, however, I have no problem sitting here on May 31 and proclaiming, with utmost confidence: Texas will not win that game. That's right, folks, you heard it here first. Ohio State will beat Texas on Sept. 10.* This is nothing against the Longhorns -- who, as I'm sure you're already about to e-mail me and point out, I had ranked higher than the Buckeyes in my post-spring rankings. Texas is coming off an 11-1 season and returns 16 starters, so it deserves to start higher.
But I don't care who you are -- you don't go into the Horseshoe and win when Ohio State is good, especially not at night. Texas could conceivably turn around and win all the rest of its games -- yes, including Oklahoma -- but it's not going to beat the Buckeyes under the lights in Columbus, and neither would any other team.
* The author reserves the right to revoke his prediction under any of the following conditions: A) Another key Ohio State player accepts gifts from a booster and gets suspended; B) Cedric Benson and Derrick Johnson are suddenly granted an extra year of eligibility and return to Austin; or C) Someone steals all of Tressel's sweater vests and after suffering a panic attack, he fails to show up for the game by kickoff.
Justified impatience
OSU fans can't wait for Texas game, for good reason
Posted: Tuesday May 31, 2005 12:04PM; Updated: Tuesday May 31, 2005 1:45PM
If the Mailbag audience is in any way a representative cross-section of the college football public at large, there's no question Ohio State fans (at least right now) are either the most populous, the most fanatical, the most obsessive or, perhaps, the most bored.
Since I first put out the call for Mailbag submissions in mid-April, Buckeye-related inquiries have dwarfed those of any other team by at least two-to-one. Among the topics on OSU fans' minds: "Will Jim Tressel finally open up his historically vanilla offense?" "Can Ted Ginn Jr. win the Heisman?" "How will the Troy Smith/Justin Zwick situation resolve itself?" "Will the running game be better?" "Would you say our linebackers are insanely awesome or just ridiculously awesome?" And, the ever-present (and certainly not unique to Buckeye fans), "Why does the media hate us?"
Strangely, few have involved the question I've found myself wondering lately: "Which lineup will have more OSU players in it this season, the Buckeyes' starting offense or the Franklin County Sheriff's Office?"
No, the most popular topic among the Scarlet-and-Gray crowd these days goes something like this:
Will Ohio State's linebackers and defensive backs be able to shut down Texas quarterback Vince Young on Sept. 10?
--Dave Mast, Columbus, Ohio
Rarely has there been so much anticipation so far in advance for an early-season game than there is for Texas-Ohio State, and with good reason. Once upon a time, a Miami would play a Notre Dame, a Michigan would play a Florida State, and it was absolutely, positively huge. These days, though, major, intersectional matchups -- and by that I mean two non-conference, top-10 teams that wouldn't normally face each other -- have become increasingly rare.
When you think about it, other than USC-Auburn in 2003, nearly all of the biggest early-season games the past five years or so have involved either teams from the same state (Florida vs. Miami in 2002 and '03), teams from the same conference (the annual mid-September Florida-Tennessee game) or teams that might have fit the above description in a previous era but in which aren't quite top-10 material anymore (Alabama's series with Oklahoma comes to mind).
Why have such marquee games largely gone by the wayside? Well for one, it's a lot more profitable for an Ohio State to play a home game against a Kent State every year than it is to schedule a home-and-home with Texas. The Horseshoe will be sold out either way (producing about $3 million in revenue), but with Texas the Buckeyes have to return the favor and visit Austin the following season, thus losing out on a home game (which is why most major programs will unfortunately use the recently approved 12th game to schedule an extra home date against another patsy). Not to mention facing the Longhorns is a much more risky proposition if you think you might have a shot at the national title. So give both schools credit for bucking the trend.
As for Dave's question, I'm not going to sit here in May and break down who might do what to whom when we really have no idea what either team will look like. Maybe OSU will have a completely different defensive scheme now that coordinator Mark Snyder has left for Marshall. Maybe Texas, knowing that OSU will be expecting Young to run like crazy, will have him throw 40 times. Maybe Young will get hurt in the Louisiana-Lafayette game and won't even be playing. Who the heck knows?
All that considered, however, I have no problem sitting here on May 31 and proclaiming, with utmost confidence: Texas will not win that game. That's right, folks, you heard it here first. Ohio State will beat Texas on Sept. 10.* This is nothing against the Longhorns -- who, as I'm sure you're already about to e-mail me and point out, I had ranked higher than the Buckeyes in my post-spring rankings. Texas is coming off an 11-1 season and returns 16 starters, so it deserves to start higher.
But I don't care who you are -- you don't go into the Horseshoe and win when Ohio State is good, especially not at night. Texas could conceivably turn around and win all the rest of its games -- yes, including Oklahoma -- but it's not going to beat the Buckeyes under the lights in Columbus, and neither would any other team.
* The author reserves the right to revoke his prediction under any of the following conditions: A) Another key Ohio State player accepts gifts from a booster and gets suspended; B) Cedric Benson and Derrick Johnson are suddenly granted an extra year of eligibility and return to Austin; or C) Someone steals all of Tressel's sweater vests and after suffering a panic attack, he fails to show up for the game by kickoff.
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VprHis
Get off my lawn, you hooligans!
Now, now... we all know that Mandel loves to piss people off. It increases his readership and gives him tons of funny, pissy emails to parade around in his next article. He may, indeed, think we'll win, but to guarantee it in such a manner just weakens any argument he might want to make.
Having said that, however... it was a good read :)
Having said that, however... it was a good read :)
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High Lonesome
Hook 'Em
that is a good read, but he got one thing wrong...He is not the first person to declare that tOSU will win. In fact even in texas i have heard from local radio guys in Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio that tOSU will beat texas. In fact every one that I know that doesnt sleep in orange underwear thinks that the bucks are going to win. Now I admit that this is about as unofficial as a survay can get but it seems to me that the public isn't giving Texas a snowball's chance in hell. However, as a gambling man I have noticed something interesting... Vegas has Texas as a 2 point favorite. To me this is a very interesting line. Vegas sets lines to the place that they think that they can make the most money. After conducting my super duper official survay I can only come to one conclusion...This is a trap bet. Vegas is so confident that texas will win by 3 or more that they are giving tOSU points, at home no less, knowing that the public will jump all over the line with the same attitude that the author of the previous column has..tOSU can't lose a nonconfrence game at the shoe past sundown...can they?
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gregorylee
I'd rather be napping!!
Lonesome
Lines are set by how monney is placed, the more people put $$ on Texas the more points they will have to give up so that peoples $$ will swing to the Bucks. It doesn't have to do with who they think will win the game, it has to do with how can they make more $$. More money is made when more people wager, hence they are trying to entice both Horn fans and Buckeye fans to lay down the mula.
Lines are set by how monney is placed, the more people put $$ on Texas the more points they will have to give up so that peoples $$ will swing to the Bucks. It doesn't have to do with who they think will win the game, it has to do with how can they make more $$. More money is made when more people wager, hence they are trying to entice both Horn fans and Buckeye fans to lay down the mula.
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High Lonesome
Hook 'Em
gregorylee said:
isn't that just what i said, Vegas wants to win money and places lines accordingly. I was saying that since my amazingly accurate and professional survay
showed that the public thought that ohio state would win outright that this had to be a trap bet. i.e. Vegas felt that the most money could be made by duping the public to put money on tOSU and the points. I really don't even know why im responding to this, My entire post was in jest. I just forgot to use the sarcasim font
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And I thought that by joining in on calling the Sooners 'land-thieves', we'd be bonding.EngineerHorn said:
At least until the game finally gets here.
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