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Game Thread Game Two: Texas 25, Ohio State 22 (final)

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The big difference between us and Texas last year was Texas didn't have to rebound from losing 14 players to the NFL draft. It took Ohio State nearly the whole season to get on track, but when we finally did we cemented ourselves as a legit top-10 team. We were playing arguably the best ball out of all teams in the country (save USC) at the very end of the season (Michigan and Alamo Bowl). We've lost a bit on defense (Fox at CB and Fraser at DE) and lost even less on offense (starting RBs of whom none were really noteworthy, and one OL). For all intents and purposes we're the same team that finished last year with impressive wins over one very good and one good football team. Keep in mind that from the middle of the first quarter of the Michigan game until the fourth quarter of the Alamo Bowl (when the game was way out of reach) we outscored those teams 63-14 under seven quarters. We will be a force to reckon with this season.
 
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Chalumpa said:
Well BuckeyeTrail, I'll just say the only game I saw the Buckeyes play last year was against Wisconsin and from what I saw I have nothing to worry. Man, y'all gave up 168 yards to Davis and he's got nothing on Vince Young. Y'all better watch out because that kind of run defense will lead to a world of hurt against Texas.
Anthony Davis did have something on Vince Young....Wisconsin's O-Line and the blocking schemes they use. Also worth noting is that QB Zwick had the same number of carries (11), as our top 2 RB's. The offense wasn't helping the d much at that point of the season.
My point being that if you only saw one game last year you have no idea what our team was really like and even less of a clue what we're going to be like next year.
I agree totally with that. I see Texas play at least 3 games every year (4 last year) and they usually show up to play. The biggest problem for Horn fans is Mackjohn Browncooper...great recruiter, lousy game coach. I would almost guarantee an OSU win, but not quite. If there is a blowout (which there could be) I am 100% confident it will be OSU winning, I just don't see any scenario where Texas wins by more than 2 points- but OSU could win by 3 touchdowns.
 
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I agree very much with UMStinks..... OSU has a gameday COACH, and also I give texas a very good chance at beating us. However, if any teams is going to get blown out of this game its going to be Texas because of the track records. Bottom line is we've lost what? 1 time at home in the past 3 years? we're 6-0 at night, and we're just as talented if not more than Texas. I like both teams chances, but it goes to OSU if this game were to get ugly.


O-H-I-O!!!
 
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BuckeyeTrail said:
plus they lose their all-world derrick johnson, and i hardly recall him doing much of anything in that game anyway.

they lose benson; even if he was still playing, he wouldn't make much of a difference because their line isn't that good.

coaching: mack brown is john cooper.

i like texas fans because they are just like we were 1995-98. still clinging onto the hope that their coach can turn it around, and that they have so much more talent than everyone else in the country.
These are all points I've made before and I entirely agree. My only question is where are you now, AKAKBUCK and buckeyefromscUM? You guys were all over me, saying I was making an *ss out of myself for saying these things. As I said before, I guess one needs to have posted more before he will be free from your criticism.

MililaniBuckeye said:
We were playing arguably the best ball out of all teams in the country (save USC) at the very end of the season (Michigan and Alamo Bowl). We've lost a bit on defense (Fox at CB and Fraser at DE) and lost even less on offense (starting RBs of whom none were really noteworthy, and one OL). For all intents and purposes we're the same team that finished last year with impressive wins over one very good and one good football team.
See my previous comment.
 
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we were all over you because you were invalidating a team which came to play consistently much better than we did. We struggled big time against MSU offensively and against purdue (good offense but turnover happy). They got it done all year other than their rivalry game.

I think VY is an absolute freak, but either him or his WR's cause some very bad passes at times. His delivery is awkward, but his throws are usually pretty good spirals and such (vs. Zwick).

I think its very possible that we force VY to beat us with his arm and he struggles to do so. Not because he can't pass, but because he can't do shotgun draws and scrambling as easy as he's been able to in the past thanks to our disciplined, fast defense that lock up their tackles quite well.

BuckeyeTrail's post is absurd. I too think the big12 is vastly overrated, however I would not put Texas in that same boat. We've played the Big12's middle tier teams for three years and destroyed them, but that's not the same as playing the best teams. We wouldn't listen to someone talking smack about beating Wisconsin, Purdue and Michigan State considering they have very average years from time to time.

OU has been worshipped and overrated for years. They are still a great team, but just should have been #3 and out of the last two BCS bowl games (and I thought that going into both of them). Texas has not gotten that same flavor of love.

You can argue Texas doesn't play enough tough games, tho an OOC game with Arkansas is pretty respectable. If you disagree, go watch a highlight reel of Matt Jones. I think he's faster than VY personally, tho not quite as able to juke someone out of their shoes.

The point is our team struggled with an average marshall team, looked awful against NC State offensively, lost to a non-bowl Northwestern, looked even worse against Wisconsin, and then just got flat out destroyed against Iowa. Our so-called resurgence also involved a loss to a slumping purdue team.

Yes I understand the nuances of why the team is different now and such. But we definitely don't have the right to say that they are going to fail to show up when we couldn't even handle middle tier teams last year.

I think there was a clear change in how we played, no doubt. Ginn, Smith, Gonzalez, Dionte Johnson, the OL all brought an exciting offense to a team that had its worst offensive numbers since Clarett got hurt the first time (and that's saying a lot b/c the 2002 & 2003 offenses were deplorable after the first half of 2002).

The defense stepped up big time as they grew into their positions as a young team. Our LB's were finally able to start dominating games thanks to finally having a DL.

But the fact is Michigan has deplorable LB's, horrible defensive schemes with little pressure, and one of the most overrated safeties of all time in Shazor. And I don't think we have to convince you that the OkState defense is bad, considering Lydell Ross looked like Clarett out there in the alamo bowl.

There are a lot of reasons to be humble while being extremely optimistic. I think we win this game by 10 points or more. But I'm not gonna go out on a limb and say that we'll paste Texas. If we were playing Michigan that early in the season, I'd talk even more smack than BuckeyeTrail or others have talked, b/c we clearly seem to have the best of them on almost every front. But we haven't faced two venerable lines, a hard to tackle speed machine at QB, and an entire roster of the same level of recruits that we are used to nabbing.
 
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BuckeyeFROMscUM said:
I think its very possible that we force VY to beat us with his arm and he struggles to do so. Not because he can't pass, but because he can't do shotgun draws and scrambling as easy as he's been able to in the past thanks to our disciplined, fast defense that lock up their tackles quite well.

BuckeyeTrail's post is absurd. I too think the big12 is vastly overrated, however I would not put Texas in that same boat. We've played the Big12's middle tier teams for three years and destroyed them, but that's not the same as playing the best teams. We wouldn't listen to someone talking smack about beating Wisconsin, Purdue and Michigan State considering they have very average years from time to time.

OU has been worshipped and overrated for years. They are still a great team, but just should have been #3 and out of the last two BCS bowl games (and I thought that going into both of them). Texas has not gotten that same flavor of love.
I agree with most of this, although I still think you give VY a little too much credit. I don't think he can beat us with his arm b/c I don't think he's that gifted of a passer (at least he didn't do much to impress me in the Rose Bowl, and in the only other game I watched of theirs last season was Oklahoma State, but I could have thrown for over 250 yards in that game, the way the Cowboys rolled over and died in the second half). But I do agree that our defense is too fast for him to be able to scramble for big gains (as he did against scUM). I don't think people who haven't watched us play realize just how much ground Hawk and Carpenter can cover in a short amount of time.

As for the Big 12, I'll agree that BuckeyeTrail's post is a little over the top (although I find the bitterness pretty amusing). And while I agree that OU has definitely been overrated in the past few years (they show their true colors in big games), I'm not sure I'm a believer in Texas yet. Sure, they only lose a few games every year (although some of them raise questions, such as losing to unranked Texas Tech in '02, unranked Arkansas at home in '03, and underdog Washington State in the '03 Holiday Bowl), but the majority of their opponents of course are in the Big 12 which you admit is "vastly overrated," and they cannot seem to beat OU which, although they are a "great team," Texas should have been able to beat at least once in the last five years if they want to be considered a part of the college football elite.
 
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I'm a believer that Texas can be a great team that beats us by 3-7 on the 10th, and that VY can have a solid passing game. I would not bet on either. I'm moreso stating that I think its reasonable for those things to happen.

I do not think he has proven himself with his arm, but his feet are ridiculous. Personally, I think VY "can't throw" is a lie, but it is true that has not proven he can win a game with his arm. The one game he did win that way was OkState.

But the fact taht they had a top-5 pick in Benson and played many teams who couldn't handle CB or VY's running game, they had no reason to do anything else (much like our approach with MoC).

I guess I'm arguing that it should be considered a possibility for him to pass well. Though I do not think there is a better defense to face up against VY (could use a slightly better DL, but a strong pass rush can backfire against a mobile QB). LB's are the key to stopping someone like him, and recognition from the safeties against the run, both of which we do extremely well.
 
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like someone said before VY is an awesome QB. He can run and he CAN throw. He hasn't exactly won a game yet with his arm thats why no one thinks he can throw. He's pretty accurate actually... 60 % to be exact. So he's a better passer than smith is percentage wise, and well I think Smith is a pretty good passer. If our defense thinks like we do on here then we're going to definatly lose! haha.

The defense has got to respect everything VY does. Now I for one think exactly what they're up against, and we definatly have the kids to shut him down. I think we will shut him down but you know thats just me being a huge buckeye fan. However, from an unbaised opinion I think that VY will probably struggle early and we'll jump on them, but Texas will make a decent run and make the game closer than it seemed to many of us. I'd say something like 24-17... with it being like 21-0 at the half. I just dont' think we're giving VY credit that he deserves.
 
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bukIpower said:
The defense has got to respect everything VY does. Now I for one think exactly what they're up against, and we definatly have the kids to shut him down. I think we will shut him down but you know thats just me being a huge buckeye fan. However, from an unbaised opinion I think that VY will probably struggle early and we'll jump on them, but Texas will make a decent run and make the game closer than it seemed to many of us. I'd say something like 24-17... with it being like 21-0 at the half. I just dont' think we're giving VY credit that he deserves.
given the nature of the Silver Bullets D the past few years, i am more inclined the believe that VY will get off a bit early, possibly even taking a 14-10 or so lead into the locker room, but that the D will make a few adjustments at halftime, and shut him down in the second half...

i'm thinking a final score somewhere in the neighborhood of 27 to 31 points for the Scarlet and Gray and 17 to 20 for the 'Horns...
 
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Given VY's talents, I dont see why we just dont stick to a short zone and stick a spy on VY.

VY is very accurate... within the 10-15 range. After that, Whitner in the deep zone should just about take care of any semi-accurate long bombs.
 
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osugrad21 said:
Wow. 54 pages and still 116 days (if I counted correctly:roll2: ) until the actual game??

Good bye Gwaltney...we will have a new record holder
Sorry to disappoint, maybe you're overanxious 21, but it's 126 days from today. The easiest way is to just add a week to the Miami countdown at the top of the page. :wink2:

But I did double-check, just to be sure.
 
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Oneshot said:
Given VY's talents, I dont see why we just dont stick to a short zone and stick a spy on VY.

VY is very accurate... within the 10-15 range. After that, Whitner in the deep zone should just about take care of any semi-accurate long bombs.
Putting a spy on VY is a bad idea...some NFL teams have tried that with Mike Vick and he absolutely destroys them. You'd have to waste Teddy Ginn every down on defense to have a spy capable of spying on someone with VY's quickness and agility. The solution to a mobile quarterback is speed at linebacker (which we definitely have enough of), awareness in the secondary (check that too), and a consistent pass rush (?). The most important thing, though, is good discipline/no mental breakdowns. That will be the key. We have all the tools to contain him, it's just a matter of executing individual assignments on each play.
 
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I don't think a dominating pass rush is the key to stopping a mobile quarterback. I'd say it has more to do with assignment sound lineman who play their assignment and don't open up large rushing lanes for the mobile QB to get through.

SO not having a dominating pass rush isn't necessarily a bad thing in this case. We just need our lineman to play their assignments and keep VY inside the pocket. If someone gets too ambitious and shoots past VY trying to get a sack, that has the potential for big rush yards from VY.
 
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