Game Thread Game Two: Texas 25, Ohio State 22 (final)

[jwinslow]

He kind of reminds me of Braylon Edwards(as a fresh) with even less concentration

(now that's downright scary)

Texas will have a good rb. I do not think they will be someone who can handle 8 guys in the box.

As we've said all along, Vince will have to beat us with his arm. He will break off a few runs, but they'll be more limited in frequency than against any other team. Also I've heard that VY throws a good long ball, our defense is set up to shut down the deep ball and make you pass through our ever changing zone (tho we play man to man at times too).

Only some here think VY is incapable of taking that powerful arm and learning to throw a good ball. But we feel from what we've seen that he hasn't been super consistent.

That could sound hypocritical, but we feel that our QB merely has to complete a short pass and let the talented WRs do the rest. Most of us think that Ginn & Holmes are capable of taking short passes for big gains (Ginn can score almost any time he touches it, as long as he isn't at QB). Gonzo is also a burner and has made some big plays for us down the stretch once he got healthy.

Perhaps Texas has receivers waiting to breakout. tOSU has a huge edge at WR, as Holmes will begin his 4th year, the best guy ever out of Belle Glades (Holmes' HS) will be finished with his redshirt this year (Dukes'), you all know Ginn, etc.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Im not sure if I read you chart correctly but the one mistake that I see is that it says that we lose Limus Sweed next year. Actually he will be a Soph. He is an athletic freak that never quite could get to the right place or run the correct route last year. Many people are forgetting about how much potential this kid has if he could just get on the same page as vince. He kind of reminds me of Braylon Edwards(as a fresh) with even less concentration

It's not my chart, it's taken off of some Texas site and shows the top 4 guys in terms of receptions. I said 3 of your 4 top guys are gone (Benson, Scafie and Jeffery) So, it was not my intention to say Limus Sweed was gone.

So, if he reminds you of Braylon Edwards as a frosh, you mean he's got the hands of Roberto Duran and an attitude problem? Poor routes, poor concentration, stone hands and an attitude. Yeah, he's a stud alright.

 

[High Lonesome]

The funny thing about vince is that he throw a very pretty ball and a good deep ball. Part of the reason that no one thinks he can throw is that his release is soo damn goofy. The other reason is his TD to int ratio. something like 12/11. Several of his int. can be put on his recievers and then if you add in his rushing touchdowns this ratio fixes itself. Almost the way that people talk about Mike Vick, they look at his numbers and say well he cant be that good, but the damn guy just keeps winning. Now VY doesnt have the armstrength that vick does but that doesnt really have any relavence unless you are talking about VY in the nfl

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Personally, I think V. Young is great. 6'5".. what 220? Fleet of foot. Of course, a QB like this can be limited by LB speed and good DE work. Both of which OSU have. I suspect Young will still make some plays, but I'd be shocked if he cuts through OSU like he did Michigan.

AS for replacing Benson and being loaded at RB and all that, hey, you guys know your squad better than me. I'm simply saying it would appear you've got some burnt orange glasses on.

 

[HorninFortWorth]

It's not my chart, it's taken off of some Texas site and shows the top 4 guys in terms of receptions. I said 3 of your 4 top guys are gone (Benson, Scafie and Jeffery) So, it was not my intention to say Limus Sweed was gone.

So, if he reminds you of Braylon Edwards as a frosh, you mean he's got the hands of Roberto Duran and an attitude problem? Poor routes, poor concentration, stone hands and an attitude. Yeah, he's a stud alright.

David Thomas should also be in the top 4 list I would think. He caught 25 passes for 430 yards and 5 td's.

 

[High Lonesome]

http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/pages/stats/2004/TEAMCUME.HTM#TEAM.IND

Here is the official stats off of mack's website. David Thomas lead our team in receiving touchdowns and was up there in yards.

As for replacing Benson, and trust me I use the word replace loosley, we have options. I dont think that anyone is expecting the same output as ced. What we are trying to say( and apparently failing misserably) is that Texas at worst has many options here. I guess that another way of saying this would be that we are best equiped to handle a loss of a Benson caliber player at the running back spot. No one in the state of Texas would tell you that UT will be better at running back next year.

Also, I never said that Sweed was a "stud" I said that he had loads of potential. I don't think that its that much of a strech to say that Edwards turned out to be pretty good

 

[jwinslow]

Nope, but its also not a stretch to say that Edwards is just another Terrell, great talent and no concentration on easy catches.

I followed you guys all along, and know from the tradition and from the current backups that Texas will not turn into the 2004 buckeyes in terms of running the ball. I expected selvin to be a stud, and now that he might be less effective due to the time off I'm sure someone else will step up.

The reason we are so down on you is that we view CB as your entire offense. He was statistically, and was a huge workhorse. Any team would have done the same thing having a guy like that, as its safe, clock-eating football. Combine that with the general rumor that VY can't throw and you have the general tOSU opinion of you guys. And unfortunately you did not get it done in the big game against OU, and did not have an opponent to play in a bowl game that we respect (its not just cuz they're our rivals either).

 

[campies]

Personally, I think V. Young is great. 6'5".. what 220? Fleet of foot.

Actually, he is now listed officially at 6'6, 230 - still runs 4.4 flat. If you ever see him in person, you'll agree he's every bit as big as they list him at. Personally, I think he strength is one of his most underated assets; people just don't expect him to be as strong as he is given his build. This is particulary effective when it comes to running the ball, standing in the pocket, or escaping would-be tacklers when there's no reason he should get away but does. You can really see his work paying off in bulking up with upper and lower body strength. At times his redshirt freshman year, it looked as if he might get snapped in half, he was so lean. Not the case anymore.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

...The other reason is his TD to int ratio. something like 12/11. Several of his int. can be put on his recievers and then if you add in his rushing touchdowns this ratio fixes itself...

You can't adjust the TD/INT ration by throwing in non-passing stats. His rushing TDs are totally unrelated to his passing effectiveness. What if his running gets shut down like it did by Oklahoma? That 12/11 ratio isn't going to bode very well for a sustained passing attack.

We will pressure Young out of his game and force him to throw more than he wants. We will play our OLBs a little wider to cut off his outside running lanes and force him to run it into the line...with our DL and MLB, along with our fast OLBs closing from the outside, I think we can stop him a lot more than not.

 

[jwinslow]

In case a few of you texans missed it, you can see this thread for a great highlight video (set to P.O.D.) of The Game (UM vs tOSU). This is why we're as excited about next year as any. If smith is at the helm, Holmes, Ginn and Gonzalez have the opportunity to go absolutely nuts. Zwick might be able to pull it off too, but in terms of playing at the top of their potential Smith has the highest ceiling.

 

[High Lonesome]

Nope, but its also not a stretch to say that Edwards is just another Terrell, great talent and no concentration on easy catches.

I followed you guys all along, and know from the tradition and from the current backups that Texas will not turn into the 2004 buckeyes in terms of running the ball. I expected selvin to be a stud, and now that he might be less effective due to the time off I'm sure someone else will step up.

The reason we are so down on you is that we view CB as your entire offense. He was statistically, and was a huge workhorse. Any team would have done the same thing having a guy like that, as its safe, clock-eating football. Combine that with the general rumor that VY can't throw and you have the general tOSU opinion of you guys. And unfortunately you did not get it done in the big game against OU, and did not have an opponent to play in a bowl game that we respect (its not just cuz they're our rivals either).

Thats fine I would have David Terell on my college roster any day of the week.

I also understand that ya'll dont respect the rose bowl win. Thats fine, I dont think that many people in Texas put stock in the Alamo bowl either. And you are correct, we did not get it done against OU and havent for the last 5 years, but that makes us 11-1 still not that bad. I think that it is fair to say that ya'll stumbled along the way as well(see northwestern and wisky). I know that your answer will be that you really had two seasons, one before and one after your team came together/troy smith started, and thats fine. Clearly Texas needs to find a way to move the ball with out ced. One thing that doesnt seem to be mentioned is that the passing game can really get nothing but better. I would guess that Texas will be much more balanced next year. Who knows I feel Like i just ramble on, the fact of the matter is that I hate the offseason so much that I am on a buckeye board for a game that is going to be played 6 months from now. I cannot remember a time that I have anticipated a game like I am this one. This is great for college football and speaks highly of our two programs. The fact that they would even risk playing another power house, let alone give up the revenue that it takes to do a home/home series, is unheard of in the bcs era and can't wait to get to Ohio.

You can't adjust the TD/INT ration by throwing in non-passing stats. His rushing TDs are totally unrelated to his passing effectiveness. What if his running gets shut down like it did by Oklahoma? That 12/11 ratio isn't going to bode very well for a sustained passing attack.

We will pressure Young out of his game and force him to throw more than he wants. We will play our OLBs a little wider to cut off his outside running lanes and force him to run it into the line...with our DL and MLB, along with our fast OLBs closing from the outside, I think we can stop him a lot more than not.

I understand that when talking about a qb's passing that you cannot "adjust" the stats, I was just trying to point out that the ratio is misleading in terms of his overall effectiveness.

 

[jwinslow]

I understand. The rambling thing is the same reason we keep bringing the zwick vs. smith topic back up. Its the stinking offseason. And if you thought the rambling was bad now, just wait until we see the spring game, our homerism will reach new hights.

Make sure to check out the various other elements on this site, including the open discussion forum (has little to do with the buckeyes), arcade, rumor mill (have to apply but are automatically granted access a day later), etc.

We've been glad to have your rational input and the rest of you horn fans. Next year's game is gonna be unprecedented, at least until we turn around and play USC a few years later :-p (but by then we'll have beaten down USC badly in the 06 rose bowl and the game won't be as highly hyped as this one... ok too much sarcastic homerism, must end post now)

 

[High Lonesome]

In case a few of you texans missed it, you can see this thread for a great highlight video (set to P.O.D.) of The Game (UM vs tOSU). This is why we're as excited about next year as any. If smith is at the helm, Holmes, Ginn and Gonzalez have the opportunity to go absolutely nuts. Zwick might be able to pull it off too, but in terms of playing at the top of their potential Smith has the highest ceiling.

I love that you showed me a highlight film from THE GAME to represent why you are so excited about next year. You should be very excited about next year, but I have one question: Why are buck fans alowed to use Mich. as a reason to be excited about the upcomming year and then say that they don't respect the rose bowl win? This question is not so much for you buckeyefromscum, and i assume that the answer would have something to do with the BP vs. bucknuts thing, but I just thought that I would throw that out there.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I love that you showed me a highlight film from THE GAME to represent why you are so excited about next year. You should be very excited about next year, but I have one question: Why are buck fans alowed to use Mich. as a reason to be excited about the upcomming year and then say that they don't respect the rose bowl win? ...

HL, that's a good point. I think that many see our win as bigger because of the rivalry, plus the fact that we were underdogs in The Game, while Texas was favored against Michigan. Plus the fact that we were a couple of yards from putting 48 on the board instead of 37. We also held Michigan to 16 fewer points than you did. From the middle of the first quarter through third quarter, we dominated Michigan like few teams have done in a long time.

 

[jwinslow]

fair enough. I think I was more showing you the defensive force as well as Smith's passing proficiency. But unless you really get into deep details, its unfair for us to be able to use that if you cannot. Very few of the clips were Smith running, whereas most of the Rose Bowl was Young running (and as I've said, why not if the D can't stop it). but I digress

I was moreso showing you more footage in case you had only seen the Alamo Bowl, as OkState is hardly a measuring block.