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Game Thread Game Two: Texas 25, Ohio State 22 (final)

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The loss of Mangum, may indeed prove large against you guys. I would hate to have deep drives falter and result in no points. I'm cautiously optimistic about our kickoff and punt teams. McGee, from all accounts, seems to be getting good distance on his kickoffs, and if he can get decent hang time on his punts, we should be in good shape.

I fully expect Ginn to make a play or two in the return game, hopefully he won't take it to the house. I'm sure this will be a point of emphasis vs a player such as Ginn. This game may well turn on special teams play and as it stands now, you guys have a decided advantage in that aspect. This worries me moreso than our WR play, or our RB situation. Special teams could kill us in this game!!
 
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jreal26

excellent post. The biggest reasom why I think OSU will win is special teams. We have a huge advantage. Tressel and Beamer get more from special teams than any other coaches in the country. Texas will find this out Sept 10th. If Texas is as bad or worse in special teams as they were in the RB this game will get our opf hand for them quickly. Ginn is the primary return guy but hes not our only weapon.

It looks like we have 2 kickers that are able to make 50 yarders and 40+ yarders with great accuracy. There are about 116 Teams in the country that would love to have Huston and just as many that could use a guy like Petorious.


I think Texas has a load of talent and is a great team. The problem is that we match up great with Texas. Its the type of team we dominate because of the match-ups.

Homefield, special teams, and coaching will be huge
 
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In an almost 3000 post long thread, I'm guessing these points have been raised already, but what the hell?

I don't agree that Texas's roster represents the kind of team that we dominate. Rather, I think it's the kind of team that gives OSU a hard time. Basically, it's the teams that can physically match up with OSU in the trenches that consistently give the Bucks a hard time. Team's with great QB's, great receivers, etc. don't scare me if their lines don't match up. Texas's experienced, talented lines on the other hand concern me, more than Vince Young. Given OSU's advantage in other areas, if the Bucks can hold their own at the line of scrimmage, I like our chances. If they can't, I don't.

An expansion on that last thought; in order for Texas to have a good chance of winning, I think they need to dominate, or at least have a consistent advantage, at the line of scrimmage. In order for OSU to have a good chance, I think they only have to match up pretty evenly at the line.
 
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jreal26 said:
I fully expect Ginn to make a play or two in the return game, hopefully he won't take it to the house. I'm sure this will be a point of emphasis vs a player such as Ginn. This game may well turn on special teams play and as it stands now, you guys have a decided advantage in that aspect. This worries me moreso than our WR play, or our RB situation. Special teams could kill us in this game!!
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I wonder who Texas has "playing" the role of Ginn to try and get return coverage on their part up to snuff?
 
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jreal26 said:
I would hate to have deep drives falter and result in no points.
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That's where it is nice to be 71% on forth down (at least last year we were).

McGee's only FG to date is 44 yards, but his range is about 55. It could be longer since his leg looks much stronger this fall. However, we will probably go for it on forth down in most makable situations on the opponents side of the field.
 
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xrayrandy said:
That's where it is nice to be 71% on forth down (at least last year we were).

McGee's only FG to date is 44 yards, but his range is about 55. It could be longer since his leg looks much stronger this fall. However, we will probably go for it on forth down in most makable situations on the opponents side of the field.
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What were your average yards to make on those 4th downs?
 
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2002UNC said:
Texas better start working on their kicking game and special teams or they are gonna be in serious trouble in columbus. The had a KO return for a TD, blocked punt, and their punters averaged 30 and 32 yards per punt. Mack Brown better WTFU and get that together or OSU will be scoring double digits on special teams.
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We're gonna lose to you guys and OU if our special teams doesn't get better. But there's still time.
 
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xrayrandy said:
That's where it is nice to be 71% on forth down (at least last year we were).

McGee's only FG to date is 44 yards, but his range is about 55. It could be longer since his leg looks much stronger this fall. However, we will probably go for it on forth down in most makable situations on the opponents side of the field.
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It would give me nothing but pleasure to see McGee come out accurate up to 45yds. I would not feel so good about instances where I'm 40 yards out and I'm forced to go for it because I have no chance of making a field goal from that distance. That is highschool crap!! FSU ring a bell? In an early game, in a hostile environment, there will be a premium placed on points. I feel good about almost every aspect about this game other than the kicking game. I feel our O and dlines will have an advantage granted there are no major injuries before the game. I feel we have the more experienced QB, and that we will be able to run the ball. I also see our receivers making enough plays to put points on the board. But if we have long drives that come away with no points, that could spell disaster.

I'm not concerned at all about our defense putting up a good effort. Ginn scares me but I feel our secondary matches up well with OSU's receivers. We have 4 players that can match up well with good receivers. I don't have much confidence in our DE's getting great pressure, but I feel we can manage to get enough pressure to keep most drives out of the endzone. In my opinion this will be a very close ball game, and could come down to a late drive or possible field goal.
 
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sandgk said:
What were your average yards to make on those 4th downs?
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We made 10 of 14. The average to make was 4.35 and the average made was 5.79. Those numbers are a little high because Vince ran 22 on a 4th and 18 (KU) and 12 on a 4th and 15 (OU). We also scored two TDs on 4th downs.

We fell short on the 15 yarder, a 6 yard attempt (4 made), a 3 yarder (pass incomplete VY), and a 2 yarder (pass incomplete Mock in mopup duty against Rice). With Vince in the game we were 10 of 13 for 77%.
 
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xrayrandy said:
We made 10 of 14. The average to make was 4.35 and the average made was 5.79. Those numbers are a little high because Vince ran 22 on a 4th and 18 (KU) and 12 on a 4th and 15 (OU). We also scored two TDs on 4th downs.

We fell short on the 15 yarder, a 6 yard attempt (4 made), a 3 yarder (pass incomplete VY), and a 2 yarder (pass incomplete Mock in mopup duty against Rice). With Vince in the game we were 10 of 13 for 77%.
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What's most interesting is that 3 of those 4th down conversions came against one team -- Colorado. Also of interest is the "why" of running some of the 4th downs at all, citing just one case, seems you had the game prety much in the bag against Kansas when the 4th and 18 call was given (your team was on the 45 yard line, so a punt is still an option). Did allow the addition of a FG to the scoring.
I'm guessing some of the early season 4th down conversions (Rice, N. Texas) are more to keep the offense on the field so the coaches can get a good look (though maybe not in the Arkansas game - they played folks tough last year on occasion).
Whichever way you slice and dice it 10/14 is a healthy marker for 4th down efficiency.
 
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sandgk said:
Also of interest is the "why" of running some of the 4th downs at all, citing just one case, seems you had the game prety much in the bag against Kansas when the 4th and 18 call was given (your team was on the 45 yard line, so a punt is still an option). Did allow the addition of a FG to the scoring.
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The 4th and 18 was called with a little over a minute left in the game...we were down by 3-4 points. Hardly in the bag. We ended up scoring a TD with 9 or so seconds on the clock.
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...I predict a blocked punt...
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Are you still going to use 2 PR guys on the field next year. If so, I don't see you blocking many, if any, punts.

With Ginn, I probably wouldn't try to block any.
 
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BrockSamson said:
The 4th and 18 was called with a little over a minute left in the game...we were down by 3-4 points. Hardly in the bag. We ended up scoring a TD with 9 or so seconds on the clock.
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Oops - I totally misread that.. no wonder you went for 4th-18! + a heck of a way to end the game - kind of an early "holy Longhorns" play for that year.
 
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