High Lonesome
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I would say that we make great halftime adjustments, but there is no way in hell thats true, so maybe mack is a good motivator.
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scarletngrey11
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i dont think it was motivation that fired up texas in the second half of the oklahoma state game, more like not wanting to be embaressed, can you imagine what they felt like being dominated 35-0?
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catdaddyhorn
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I'm not sure that we ever down 35-0. I thought it was 35-7 not that it was any less emabarrassing.
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October 28, 1989
The great comeback
The Buckeyes came out horrible. "That was probably the worst half I've ever been associated with," Coach John Cooper said. The Buckeyes fell into a 31-0 hole against Minnesota on the road in the second quarter, and they were behind 31-8 at halftime. But the Buckeyes didn't quit. They came out with guns blazing in the second half and behind Greg Frey's 327 second-half passing yards, the Buckeyes outscored Minnesota 33-6 to take an amazing 41-37 victory. The comeback tied the then-current record for biggest college comeback. "I didn't think there was any way possible they could come back," Gopher DE Eddie Miles said. But Greg Frey said, "We've got a lot of guys who don't want to quit. We proved that today."
The great comeback
The Buckeyes came out horrible. "That was probably the worst half I've ever been associated with," Coach John Cooper said. The Buckeyes fell into a 31-0 hole against Minnesota on the road in the second quarter, and they were behind 31-8 at halftime. But the Buckeyes didn't quit. They came out with guns blazing in the second half and behind Greg Frey's 327 second-half passing yards, the Buckeyes outscored Minnesota 33-6 to take an amazing 41-37 victory. The comeback tied the then-current record for biggest college comeback. "I didn't think there was any way possible they could come back," Gopher DE Eddie Miles said. But Greg Frey said, "We've got a lot of guys who don't want to quit. We proved that today."
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bkb: No way is Texas coming back from a 31-point deficit in The Shoe at night. The New England Patriots couldn't do that...
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Of course not.MililaniBuckeye said:
Didn't mean to suggest they could, just more or less responding to catdaddyhorn about OSU's biggest comeback.
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jreal26
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Would like to chime in about the Texas LB's. As previously stated, Killabrew, Bobino, and Kelson figure to be an upgrade over last year's strong side starter Eric Hall. No offence to Hall, but he was a definite liability when forced with the prospect of containing a dangerous rb around the end. I feel this group has a real chance to be a more productive unit than last years' lb's. If you watched much of DJ, he chased many plays down from the weakside. Essentially making plays another player should have made. We will most assuredly miss his athleticism and playmaking ability, but I would much rather play assignment sound defense in which the player that is in position to make the tackle actually makes the play.
The OU game was evidence that our defense was poor against physical dominant OT's that could kick our ends outside, and allow a back to streak around the end. Once Peterson got in the open field, he was simply a b***h to tackle. Both DE's played poorly against OU and it resulted in a rough day for our secondary, bringing down a very physical back. OU's receivers' also did an excellent job of staying on blocks against our db's (Especially Travis Wilson!!) I don't think this will be as large an issue against OSU. Obviously, you have backs with good speed, but your offense, it seems is committed to the pass. I also do not believe your OT's will have as large an advantage against our DE's in rush blocking.
Our Lb's should also be better suited to defend the pass against a team like OSU. We will have a SS type linebacker in Kelson. I think our defense could be susceptible to a very physical Oline like a Michigan. We could get overpowered by a team that likes to smash mouth our smallish lb's. It feels good to have the depth and size we have at the DT position, but against top flight OT's it will remain to be seen how this defense will adjust. Unfortunately this group is replacing two starters (1 of which was unseated -Hall) and will have 1 game to gel before facing OSU. This group will undoubtedly play its best ball near the end of the season and you will catch them very early.
The OU game was evidence that our defense was poor against physical dominant OT's that could kick our ends outside, and allow a back to streak around the end. Once Peterson got in the open field, he was simply a b***h to tackle. Both DE's played poorly against OU and it resulted in a rough day for our secondary, bringing down a very physical back. OU's receivers' also did an excellent job of staying on blocks against our db's (Especially Travis Wilson!!) I don't think this will be as large an issue against OSU. Obviously, you have backs with good speed, but your offense, it seems is committed to the pass. I also do not believe your OT's will have as large an advantage against our DE's in rush blocking.
Our Lb's should also be better suited to defend the pass against a team like OSU. We will have a SS type linebacker in Kelson. I think our defense could be susceptible to a very physical Oline like a Michigan. We could get overpowered by a team that likes to smash mouth our smallish lb's. It feels good to have the depth and size we have at the DT position, but against top flight OT's it will remain to be seen how this defense will adjust. Unfortunately this group is replacing two starters (1 of which was unseated -Hall) and will have 1 game to gel before facing OSU. This group will undoubtedly play its best ball near the end of the season and you will catch them very early.
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scarletngrey11
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whats steve rehring around now? 6'8" 329? i think hes a pretty physical offensive tackle.
im still optimistic on how your linebackers can play better this season than last, DJ was a helluva linebacker.
im still optimistic on how your linebackers can play better this season than last, DJ was a helluva linebacker.
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High Lonesome
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I think you ment suspicious, curious, or something a long those linesscarletngrey77 said:
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hookemhorns2004
'Hook Em
COLUMBUS -- Ask anyone affiliated with Ohio State's offense recently what's been wrong with the running game and you'll get answers varying from ''we didn't get it done up front'' (Rob Sims) to ''everybody was too anxious and outrunning their blockers'' (Tony Pittman).
About the only thing everyone can agree upon is the fact it must improve if Ohio State is to have any chance this year in a stacked Big Ten.
Penn State returns 6 starters from a front seven that ranked 10th nationally last year in total defense, Iowa has All-American candidates Abdul Hodge and Chad Greenway back at linebacker from a defense that ranked fifth against the run and Michigan's defensive line and linebackers could both be considered among the nation's Top 10 units this year.
And then there's Ohio State's offense, which finished the season ranked 70th last year in rushing. The Buckeyes were below 100th for much of the year, until quarterback Troy Smith helped the cause by running for 145 yards against Michigan.
''We have to be able to run the ball this year,'' coach Jim Tressel said. ''That's no secret. We have to do a better job than what we've done.''
Lydell Ross was the leading rusher each of the last two years, but totaled just 1,301 yards in that time. Thirteen backs in Division I-A surpassed that total last year alone.
The Buckeyes have produced just two 1,000 yard rushers in the last six years -- Jonathan Wells in 2001 and Maurice Clarett in '02. If it fails to happen again this year, it would be just the second time since 1968 Ohio State has gone three straight years without a 1,000-yard running back. In fact, a strong argument could be made that the only elite tailback to play for Ohio State since Eddie George's Heisman campaign is Clarett.
''If that's what people think, hopefully we can change that this year,'' Sims said. ''I think Pittman can be that guy.''
Pittman will likely receive the first chance at tailback this year, but he'll be pushed by redshirt freshman Erik Haw and true freshman Maurice Wells. Pittman has been the most consistent tailback since spring, according to Tressel, but Haw has improved more in that time.
Pittman packed about 20 pounds on his 5-foot-11 frame since last year, putting his playing weight close to 200 pounds.
''I took a beating last year,'' Pittman said. ''By the end of the season, I was really tired. I really wasn't as ready as I thought I was.''
The alarming part of that is the fact Pittman carried just 72 times last year, or roughly one-fourth of the number of carries Michigan freshman Mike Hart received. Pittman had just one game with over 15 carries. Still, Pittman and the coaching staff are hoping the added weight means added endurance, since his workload will likely double -- at least -- this year.
Haw, 6-1, 212 pounds and perhaps the fastest of the three, was cited for smoking marijuana on campus in May and pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct. He now undergoes frequent testing and has entered a drug education program.
''It's hard to shake that, but throughout the season, throughout the years, I'm going to try to push it behind me,'' Haw said. ''I'm a young man and I'm going to make mistakes -- and I'm probably going to make more. I just ask forgiveness from my family and friends and all of the Ohio State supporters.''
That leaves Wells, a Parade All-American who was widely considered one of the top 15 tailbacks in the country out of Jacksonville, Fla. Wells might have the most upside of the three and helped his cause by learning how to pass block over the summer.
Pass protection is what held Ross back his freshman year and is typically what keeps most true freshman running backs off the field at Ohio State -- especially those that don't enroll early for the 15 spring practices. But Tressel said he's been impressed by Wells' ability to pick up blitzes.
''I called some of the guys to see what I should be working on and they all said pass protect, pass protect, pass protect,'' Wells said. ''Everyone knows how to run the ball, but blocking, that's not what everybody does. So I've been working on it a lot.
''I'll just stick my nose in there and see what happens.''
About the only thing everyone can agree upon is the fact it must improve if Ohio State is to have any chance this year in a stacked Big Ten.
Penn State returns 6 starters from a front seven that ranked 10th nationally last year in total defense, Iowa has All-American candidates Abdul Hodge and Chad Greenway back at linebacker from a defense that ranked fifth against the run and Michigan's defensive line and linebackers could both be considered among the nation's Top 10 units this year.
And then there's Ohio State's offense, which finished the season ranked 70th last year in rushing. The Buckeyes were below 100th for much of the year, until quarterback Troy Smith helped the cause by running for 145 yards against Michigan.
''We have to be able to run the ball this year,'' coach Jim Tressel said. ''That's no secret. We have to do a better job than what we've done.''
Lydell Ross was the leading rusher each of the last two years, but totaled just 1,301 yards in that time. Thirteen backs in Division I-A surpassed that total last year alone.
The Buckeyes have produced just two 1,000 yard rushers in the last six years -- Jonathan Wells in 2001 and Maurice Clarett in '02. If it fails to happen again this year, it would be just the second time since 1968 Ohio State has gone three straight years without a 1,000-yard running back. In fact, a strong argument could be made that the only elite tailback to play for Ohio State since Eddie George's Heisman campaign is Clarett.
''If that's what people think, hopefully we can change that this year,'' Sims said. ''I think Pittman can be that guy.''
Pittman will likely receive the first chance at tailback this year, but he'll be pushed by redshirt freshman Erik Haw and true freshman Maurice Wells. Pittman has been the most consistent tailback since spring, according to Tressel, but Haw has improved more in that time.
Pittman packed about 20 pounds on his 5-foot-11 frame since last year, putting his playing weight close to 200 pounds.
''I took a beating last year,'' Pittman said. ''By the end of the season, I was really tired. I really wasn't as ready as I thought I was.''
The alarming part of that is the fact Pittman carried just 72 times last year, or roughly one-fourth of the number of carries Michigan freshman Mike Hart received. Pittman had just one game with over 15 carries. Still, Pittman and the coaching staff are hoping the added weight means added endurance, since his workload will likely double -- at least -- this year.
Haw, 6-1, 212 pounds and perhaps the fastest of the three, was cited for smoking marijuana on campus in May and pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct. He now undergoes frequent testing and has entered a drug education program.
''It's hard to shake that, but throughout the season, throughout the years, I'm going to try to push it behind me,'' Haw said. ''I'm a young man and I'm going to make mistakes -- and I'm probably going to make more. I just ask forgiveness from my family and friends and all of the Ohio State supporters.''
That leaves Wells, a Parade All-American who was widely considered one of the top 15 tailbacks in the country out of Jacksonville, Fla. Wells might have the most upside of the three and helped his cause by learning how to pass block over the summer.
Pass protection is what held Ross back his freshman year and is typically what keeps most true freshman running backs off the field at Ohio State -- especially those that don't enroll early for the 15 spring practices. But Tressel said he's been impressed by Wells' ability to pick up blitzes.
''I called some of the guys to see what I should be working on and they all said pass protect, pass protect, pass protect,'' Wells said. ''Everyone knows how to run the ball, but blocking, that's not what everybody does. So I've been working on it a lot.
''I'll just stick my nose in there and see what happens.''
Are you serious? NE Patriots would tear any NCAA team apart. Anywhere anytime...MililaniBuckeye said:
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xrayrandy
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I'll assume you mean curious,so I'll break it into some simple equations to explain it.scarletngrey77 said:
Harris (2005) > Harris (2004)
Bobino (2005) - Hall (2004) = DJ (2004) - Killebrew (2005)
Kelson, Foreman & Hall (2005) >>>> the 2004 backups.
Note that Forman (QB), Bobino (RS) and Kelson (RB/SS) did not play LB last year. Foreman was however a backup the previous year, so he is experienced.
To give you a baseline for comparing overall talent (Not claiming they're better in any way), I'll add their Rivals ranking and other info.
Harris was the #4 ILB in the same class where D'Andrea was #2. Harris has of course been healthier and had less competition for his spot.
Killebrew was the #8 OLB in his class which you could compare number-wise to Carpenter #13 or Hawk #30.
Kelson was the #1 S in his class, which you could compare to Nate Salley #7 S if he were spun down to OLB.
Bobino was the state defensive most valuable player (4A), who was lower ranked because he is short. I guess you could put him in the same category with Schlegel in terms of being underrated.
While our OLBs are young, I think our linebackers will end up being pretty good.
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