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Game Thread Game Two: #1 Ohio State 24, #2 Texas 7 (9/9/06)

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xrayrandy said:
I get it now. Texas averaged 300 yards a game rushing against great rushing defenses while tOSU averaged 196 yards rushing against teams whose rushing defenses sucked. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Let's see how you did against really great rush defenses:

Ohio State #1 (73.4 ypg): 112
Kansas #3 (83.3 ypg): 336
Oklahoma #4 (90.6 ypg): 203
Colorado #11 (100.2 ypg): 145 regular season game/268 Big 12 title game

You played no other teams whose rushing defense was in the top 25. In the above five games, you averaged 212.8 ypg which is a far cry from "300 yards a game rushing against great rushing defenses".
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Let's see how you did against really great rush defenses:

Ohio State #1 (73.4 ypg): 112
Kansas #3 (83.3 ypg): 336
Oklahoma #4 (90.6 ypg): 203
Colorado #11 (100.2 ypg): 145 regular season game/268 Big 12 title game

You played no other teams whose rushing defense was in the top 25. In the above five games, you averaged 212.8 ypg which is a far cry from "300 yards a game rushing against great rushing defenses".
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And thats including Vince Young who was easily your teams leading rusher.
 
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BuckeyeKid789 said:
I don't want people to automatically think that just because Well is 230 lbs. he's going into the game if it's a short yardage situation.
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Not sure if that was directed at me, but if it was, I didn't mean to imply Pittman doesn't have any power. I remember in vivid detail his 4th quarter go-ahead TD against Michigan last year where he ran over two defenders.

Likewise, Jamaal Charles does have some power as well. He's just more suited to run out of the gun, whereas someone like Ced Benson (225 lbs) was more suited to run out of the I, but was still effective from the gun.

I guess I was thinking the OSU running back situation might parallel UT's in that regard.

So, the question is, who would you rather have in when running an isolation play from the I formation? And who would you rather have in when running an off tackle play from the gun? Sure, both are excellent backs who would be successful in both situations, but my answers would be Wells and Pittman, respectively.
 
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BuckeyeKid789 said:
Hey non-OSU fans, Pittman has some power too. Just because he's 190 lbs. doesn't mean he isn't a tough runner. He's got a great stiff arm and isn't afraid to lower his shoulder. Just ask this guy: I don't want people to automatically think that just because Well is 230 lbs. he's going into the game if it's a short yardage situation.
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Pittmans playing weight last year was at least 200 lbs.
 
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tOSU D in 2006...

Guys please provide this Longhorn with info on your D in 2006. It is my understanding that you lost 9 starters off easily the best defense we saw last year. Let me know what we are in for.

Please provide a little more info than "We're OSU," "you are in for it," etc.

Thanks in advance.

Hook'em
 
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TJKDone said:
Guys please provide this Longhorn with info on your D in 2006. It is my understanding that you lost 9 starters off easily the best defense we saw last year. Let me know what we are in for.

Please provide a little more info than "We're OSU," "you are in for it," etc.

Thanks in advance.

Hook'em
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Hey, first of all welcome to buckeyeplanet.

Secondly, there is already a game thread on the Texas game:

http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/showthread.php?p=491958#post491958

I expect our defense to obviously not be as great as last years, but I think the expected drop-off is greatly exaggerated.

We return John Kerr at MLB(whom led the Big Ten in tackles at Indiana as a freshman, then transferred to OSU.) At MLB we also return Mike D'Andrea, whom was considered by many the top linebacker in the nation the same year that Hawk and Carpenter came in as freshman. He has tons of talent, but hes been injuried his entire OSU career, hopefully he can put it together.

At OLB we return Marcus Freeman. Freeman has all the tools to leave OSU as an all-time great. We originally moved Carpenter to DE just to get Freeman on the field, but he missed all last year with an injury as well, but hes a lock to start this year. The other spot will be between James Laurinaitis(whom started the last two games last year against Michigan and Notre Dame,) and Larry Grant(JUCO Defensive Player of the Year.) We had tons of depth this year also.

Our defensive line should actually be better this year. We return 3 DTs with starting experience, Pitcock, Patterson, and Penton. We lose Kudla at DE, but return Lawrence Wilson(whom started the ND game last year.) We also return Jay Richardson, whom is a senior with tons of starting experience. The two DE spots arent settled yet though, as Alex Barrow and Vernon Gholston both will get tons of playing time and possibly start. We havent been this well off at DE for a few years.

Our secondary is my biggest concern. As a true freshman Malcolm Jenkins started 4 games last year, and is a star in the making at CB. We also return Brandon Mitchell whom has starting experience at FS. SS will most likely be filled in by Jamario O'Neal, whom was a very highly recruited CB in high school. The other corner spot is up for grabs, with Antonio Smith(senior) appearing to be the frontrunner.

Lets say on a scale of 1 to 10, our defense last year was a 10. I expect our defense this year to be a 7.5. Tressels teams always improve as the year goes on though.
 
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great find 77, but I felt the need to point out how poor xray's analysis truly was:

DT - OSU has one projected 2 rounder and a couple being looked at as maybe being second day picks.
Patterson is second day material. Pitcock was first day before last year, and a potential 1/2 rounder now.

DE - tOSU none projected as draft material in the next two drafts
 Hilarious. Kudla is first day, and Wilson has first day potential, second day at worst.

MLB - tOSU has one projected late first day pick
Better hope mDa doesn't get healthy, or you might not have a single decent position analysis.

OLB - tOSU has a projected 1st rounder.
or 2 first rounders and another draftee in Freeman.

DB - tOSU has one 2-3 rounder and 2 early 2nd day picks.
or 2 potential first rounders, and two potential 2nd day picks.
 
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I just want to go back to Enigneerhorn's post about the young guys running the Z/R.

If the DE does crash down the line, you will still be able to have the middle and outside backer scrape to the outside and hold him to at most a 10 gain, if they sell out that much for the running back, also have a corner to that side, and probably the safety. McCoy or Snead are not outrunning anyone.

Another point that can be made is that they are both young pups and the first game against ULALA or ever you play they arent goign to feel a good college hit, as I am sure they will have black shirts on in practice, so come tOSU game they are going to be getting popped and see how much guts they have to go right back at that 245 lb backer or the 210 lb safety or a 260 lb DE. They will just keep giving it to the rb and not holding on.

The slower guys you mentioned as running that play well were experienced guys that understand the play. You have two guys that have never done it in a live game, and against a D as fast as ours.
 
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If the DE does crash down the line, you will still be able to have the middle and outside backer scrape to the outside and hold him to at most a 10 gain, if they sell out that much for the running back, also have a corner to that side, and probably the safety. McCoy or Snead are not outrunning anyone.
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I'll take that 10 yard gain. Hell, I'd take a 5 yarder. :biggrin: I know, our QB will probably gain less than 4 yards more often than not against OSU on the keeper. It kinda depends on where those linebackers are. Since the line/TE are zone blocking, they might have a lineman or the TE on them depending on where they are and how much they commit to the RB.

And you're right, McCoy and Snead won't be outrunning guys in the 4.5/4.4 range. But our WR's are VERY good at downfield blocking, so I wouldn't count on your corners making the tackle too often. It'll probably be up to the safeties and linebackers to make the tackle.


Another point that can be made is that they are both young pups and the first game against ULALA or ever you play they arent goign to feel a good college hit, as I am sure they will have black shirts on in practice, so come tOSU game they are going to be getting popped and see how much guts they have to go right back at that 245 lb backer or the 210 lb safety or a 260 lb DE. They will just keep giving it to the rb and not holding on.

The slower guys you mentioned as running that play well were experienced guys that understand the play. You have two guys that have never done it in a live game, and against a D as fast as ours.
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Can't argue with that. If I had to guess, I'd say our coaches will tell the QB's to give it to the RB when in doubt. Although to be fair, both McCoy and Snead ran spread option offenses in high school. They have run the play before UT, but not against a D1 defense, much less a very good one filled with blue chippers.

But this discussion could be useless. Whereas the ZR was our base running play last year (and Greg Davis even abandoned the play a few times with Vince when it was apparent it wasn't doing much), it'll probably be more of a change of pace this year. Expect to see more traps and counters out of the gun. If by the end of the game our QB's have more than 12 carries, we're in bad shape.
 
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