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Game Thread Game Two: #1 Ohio State 24, #2 Texas 7 (9/9/06)

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xrayrandy said:
The big 12 teams you played last year and their average total defense last year (per NCAAsports.com) are as follows:

Iowa 382.67
Penn State 304.67
Michigan State 409.55
Indiana 417.73
Minnesota 412.67
Illinois 469.27
Northwestern 480.42
Michigan 345.17
For fun I'll add Notre Dame 396.92

I do think Texas could average 5 rushing TDs a game against that lineup.

I should have mention UTs Big 12 lineup for comparison.
Missouri 368.33
Oklahoma 306.67
Colorado 349.15
Texas Tech 335.83
Oklahoma State 419.64
Baylor 378.00
Kansas 303.25
A&M 443.82
CU again
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Come on xray, you can't (1) completely ignore the fact that the conversation was about rushing offenses, then proceed to provide numbers for teams' total defenses, and (2) neglect to mention that a full 75% of Big 12 rushing offenses absolutely blew! Yeah, sure ... it's easy to have a league of great rushing defenses when all but four of the offenses couldn't run their way out of a wet paper bag.

10 of 11 teams in the Big 10 were in the NCAA's TOP 50 for Rushing Offense.
7 of 12 teams in the Big 12 were in the NCAA's BOTTOM 50 for Rushing Offense.

xray, you know, as well as everyone else on this board, that these two statistics are directly related to one another. If the offenses are good, the defenses must be comparatively down, and vice versa.
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RUSHING DEFENSE

Rank Name Games Carries Net Avg TDs Ydspgm Wins Losses Ties
1 Ohio St. 12 375 881 2.35 12 73.4 10 2 0
7 Penn St. 12 442 1116 2.52 12 93.0 11 1 0
29 Iowa 12 470 1512 3.22 10 126.0 7 5 0
41 Michigan 12 430 1648 3.83 12 137.3 7 5 0
50 Purdue 11 445 1578 3.55 14 143.5 5 6 0
69 Minnesota 12 428 1867 4.36 21 155.6 7 5 0
76 Michigan St. 11 397 1811 4.56 15 164.6 5 6 0
79 Wisconsin 13 471 2178 4.62 13 167.5 10 3 0
110 Indiana 11 471 2367 5.03 28 215.2 4 7 0
113 Northwestern 12 504 2617 5.19 26 218.1 7 5 0
117 Illinois 11 471 2574 5.46 27 234.0 2 9 0

3 Kansas 12 414 999 2.41 8 83.3 7 5 0
4 Oklahoma 12 392 1087 2.77 11 90.6 8 4 0
11 Colorado 13 460 1303 2.83 18 100.2 7 6 0
12 Iowa St. 12 414 1232 2.98 10 102.7 7 5 0
26 Nebraska 12 459 1491 3.25 14 124.3 8 4 0
30 Kansas St. 11 401 1418 3.54 19 128.9 5 6 0
33 Texas 13 461 1702 3.69 15 130.9 13 0 0
44 Texas A&M 11 420 1531 3.65 19 139.2 5 6 0
63 Missouri 12 474 1816 3.83 23 151.3 7 5 0
67 Texas Tech 12 469 1865 3.98 15 155.4 9 3 0
74 Baylor 11 438 1779 4.06 21 161.7 5 6 0
107 Oklahoma St. 11 456 2260 4.96 24 205.5 4 7 0

RUSHING OFFENSE

Rank Name Games Carries Net Avg. TDs Ydspg Wins Losses Ties
3 Minnesota 12 610 3277 5.37 34 273.08 7 5 0
14 Penn St. 12 503 2553 5.08 29 212.75 11 1 0
20 Michigan St. 11 453 2220 4.90 22 201.82 5 6 0
24 Ohio St. 12 506 2360 4.66 23 196.67 10 2 0
26 Northwestern 12 462 2323 5.03 25 193.58 7 5 0
31 Purdue 11 416 2054 4.94 31 186.73 5 6 0
35 Iowa 12 436 2096 4.81 19 174.67 7 5 0
37 Wisconsin 13 572 2186 3.82 31 168.15 10 3 0
44 Michigan 12 499 1939 3.89 16 161.58 7 5 0
47 Illinois 11 438 1740 3.97 9 158.18 2 9 0
78 Indiana 11 425 1443 3.40 9 131.18 4 7 0

2 Texas 13 605 3574 5.91 55 274.92 13 0 0
10 Texas A&M 11 452 2584 5.72 24 234.91 5 6 0
17 Missouri 12 512 2463 4.81 26 205.25 7 5 0
33 Oklahoma 12 526 2130 4.05 27 177.50 8 4 0
48 Oklahoma St. 11 432 1693 3.92 16 153.91 4 7 0
68 Kansas St. 11 432 1522 3.52 16 138.36 5 6 0
75 Kansas 12 425 1608 3.78 15 134.00 7 5 0
96 Iowa St. 12 491 1328 2.70 20 110.67 7 5 0
97 Colorado 13 428 1434 3.35 15 110.31 7 6 0
99 Baylor 11 385 1209 3.14 10 109.91 5 6 0
104 Texas Tech 12 308 1284 4.17 25 107.00 9 3 0
107 Nebraska 12 420 1152 2.74 10 96.00 8 4 0
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OSU returns players on defense that have a total of 402 tackles.
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I don't consider a 36 tackle average to be experienced. The projected Texas defensive starters. have the following tackles - TFLs-Sacks

Michael Griffin (Sr) 238-11-3
Brian Robison (Sr) 144-33-8
Tim Crowder (Sr) 132-22-8.5
Aaron Ross (Sr) 125-3-0
Tarell Brown (Sr) 109-5-1
Robert Killebrew (Jr) 83-10-4
Frank Okam (Jr) 70-10-3
Rashad Bobino (So) 53-7-2
Marcus Griffin (Jr) 42-0-0
Drew Kelson (Jr) 36-2-1 (Played RB as a Fr)
Derek Lokey (Jr) 27-5-1.5
 
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OSU does have to replace 5 out of the front 7 but we're replacing them with kids who've played the game before..

Freeman LB-played on special teams and was pushing carpenter for playing time before his injury.

Kurr MLB-Started his freshman year at IU, and plays special teams for the past 2 seasons here.

Laurintius LB-Special teams and spot duty, and he did start the last 2 games

Richardson DE-Started his Sophomore season a couple times and played a lot of football last year.

Wilson DE-Played a ton last year and was probably our 2nd best pass rusher. Thats saying a lot considering he was a true freshman

Pitcock DT-well he's arguebly the best Defensive Tackle in the game. He draws double teams on ever down.

Patterson DT-Started since a sophomore and will be an upgrade from Marcus Greene who was extreamly talented last year. So thats saying a lot.

With our defense we have the capability of shutting down options with the way you run your offense.1) We have IMO one of the best DT combo and a good run stuffing MLB so the big plays right in the heart of our defense will be hard. 2) You'll have new QB's and you'll be alternating them throughout the game, and we saw just how far that got us last year. Because new QB's we can crowd the box and take away your only real option.3) the only option you do have is running wide, and considering our Defenses are notoriously fast this will also be tough. Not to mention the extra defenders in the box now.

What I'm getting at is because you don't have a QB we can now take away your bread and butter a lot better. You love to run that option/off tackle stuff a lot, and because we won't have to keep gaurd at all times of your QB we'll be able to concentrate on that aspect of your game. Because we can concentrate on that part of the game we can force you to do things you won't want to do. Things like throw the football 30-40 times.
 
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xrayrandy said:
I don't consider a 36 tackle average to be experienced.
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As Saddam Hussein said in South Park - The Movie: "Wow, whatta dumbass".

Those 402 tackles (actually a 33.5 tackle per game average, not 36...you're slipping) are from players replacing departed starters and show just how badly many outsiders are overestimating our "defensive inexperience". Our defense had a total of 745 tackles last year (62.1 per game), and we return 33.5 tackles worth of experience. Now before you fire up your neutron-powered super calculator and put on your tin foil hat, some of those 33.5 tackles worth of experience aren't from last season...many of the these "replacement" players have experience over multiple seasons (which actually helps even more), so don't go saying that over half our tackles last year were from non-starters, because that's not the case. Still, we have essentially a half-season worth of experience returning in our non-starters, so they'll be far from "inexperienced".
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Now before you fire up your neutron-powered super calculator and put on your tin foil hat
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xrayrandy said:
I get it now. Texas averaged 300 yards a game rushing against great rushing defenses while tOSU averaged 196 yards rushing against teams whose rushing defenses sucked. Thanks for clearing that up.
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You must be retarded. Since you still don't get it, I'll lay it out there in easy-speak. Texas rushed so well against shitty defenses who had great rushing numbers due to their bad competition in the Big 12. tOSU played teams with bad rushing defense numbers because the teams in the Big Ten rush so well and hurt their own conference's rush defensive numbers. It really isn't that hard.
 
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thackattack said:
You must be retarded. Since you still don't get it, I'll lay it out there in easy-speak. Texas rushed so well against shitty defenses who had great rushing numbers due to their bad competition in the Big 12. tOSU played teams with bad rushing defense numbers because the teams in the Big Ten rush so well and hurt their own conference's rush defensive numbers. It really isn't that hard.
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You're talking to a computer...you can't reason with a computer.:wink2:
 
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Just read tOSU was seen practicing a bunch of I-formation. I can't remember seeing much of that last year- just a bunch of 3/4 WR shotgun and a couple Ace formations. I get the feeling Wells will be in most of the time if/when you're in the I.

As far as the zone read goes (in response to some questions several posts ago).......
first, it's nice to see so many of you have and understanding how that play works. I've read some crazy stuff from other message boards about that, some even saying it was our defensive scheme.:confused:

Anyway, I don't think Snead/McCoy will be completely useless when the DE crashes down the line following the RB every time. Oregon runs a bunch of Z/R, and their QB's combined for 118 carries for 375 yards (3.2 YPC), most of which came from Kellen Clemons, who isn't exactly a speedster. Since sacks count against rushing numbers, I think the average per designed run would be 4-4.5 YPC. I'd take that.

Brett Basanez put up 423 yards at a 3.7 YPC clip. That ain't bad either for a slow (compared to VY) QB. The Z/R is Northwestern's primary running play, correct?

Obviously the coaches would prefer the ball to be in the hands of our RB's, but you gotta think Tressel will try to dictate who gets the ball. In that case, I think Snead or McCoy can, at the very least, pick up a couple first downs on the option keeper.

Other than the athleticism differences, Vince was a master at disguising who had the ball. Sometimes you could tell that he changed his mind at the last split second. On Vince's first TD run at the Rose Bowl, 9 USC defenders went with the RB. I was sure of it too, so was the cameraman. Then there goes Vince with the ball the other direction with only Cushing and Bing(I think) on his side of the field. Obviously that's not a TD for Snead/McCoy, but it is a gain of at least 8 yards, given identical execution. Again, I'd take that in a hearbeat.
 
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The outcome of these games where the teams are evenly matched will come down to one thing...who has the better QB?

Just as I said last year that Texas will beat Oklahoma. That series over the past 5 years has been a prime example of that philosophy.

This year tOSU will beat Texas.

Stats are great but I prefer simplicity. If Texas gives points because they are the home team, it will be interesting!
 
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Hey non-OSU fans, Pittman has some power too. Just because he's 190 lbs. doesn't mean he isn't a tough runner. He's got a great stiff arm and isn't afraid to lower his shoulder. Just ask this guy: I don't want people to automatically think that just because Well is 230 lbs. he's going into the game if it's a short yardage situation.
 
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xrayrandy said:
I get it now. Texas averaged 300 yards a game rushing against great rushing defenses while tOSU averaged 196 yards rushing against teams whose rushing defenses sucked. Thanks for clearing that up.
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LMAOROFL.... Hey Einstien, one major error in your analysis... the leading rusher for Texas, Vince Young, is GONE. Jamal Charles rushed for an average of 78 per game. Thats a REAL far cry from the 300 your spouting off about.


Frankly, I dont give a shit what Charles rushes for in the other 12 games he plays in. I just care what he will ( or in this case WONT ) do against OSU. Mark it down hear and now. Charles wont go over 100
 
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