Game Thread Game Two: #1 Ohio State 24, #2 Texas 7 (9/9/06)

[BuckeyeKid789]

I don't think it will be a closee game at all if turnovers are even. If we take last year, Texas won by three, was -2 in turnovers worth 12 and being at home is a six point swing. If last years teams played in Austin, Texas should have been favored by 21. Texas returns more experienced and more productive players than tOSU, but, the QB situation creates a lot of uncertainty. I'll say Texas by 24, 38-14.

I do have a precedent on Smith, since the only comparable defense he started against last year was Penn State where he went 13-25-1, 0 TDs and 15 yards rushing. Also, after completing 50% in the jersey scrimmage, I am interested to see if he does better in the spring game.

Come on man. You've, for the most part, been a good poster on here. Don't start making stupid posts. Anything can happen but do you honestly expect to win by 24 and hold one of the best offenses next year to 14 points?

 

[EngineerHorn]

ahem........

I remember seeing a couple tOSU fans saying that the Buckeyes have traditionally struggled in night road games under Tressel. That might have something to do with the fact that night games (prime time television) are usually played against good teams (PSU last year for instance). Any thoughts on that?

Yes, I just quoted myself. But it's been a few pages of just xray vs. BuckeyePlanet.

Just wanted to see if any of you feel that this might give the Horns a 24 point margin of victory.

 

[jwinslow]

this should shed some light on the subject:
http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/showthread.php?p=484445

(scroll down a few posts for my answer)

 

[crazybuckfan40]

77-0. Bucks win.

Smith has 2 rushing td's and 3 through the air.

Ginn has 3 td returns.

Pittman gets one and so does Wells and just for good measure Jenkins takes an int to the house.

While our D shuts you guys out.

 

[EngineerHorn]

thanks winslow.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

On balance the starting four will be better than last year when Texas was one of the best passing defenses in the country 20 efficiency points better than tOSU. Believe me, they can hold a QB 25 points under their efficiency rating, 12% under the completetion percentage and 20% under their yards per completion. Oh and the rush defense will hold teams 60 yards below their rushing average like last year.

Wow, if Texas just keeps getting better every year, they should petition the NFL for entrance in about three seasons.

Texas may have had a better pass defense, but we had a much better run defense.

As for holding "QB 25 points under their efficiency rating, 12% under the completetion percentage and 20% under their yards per completion", your pass defense didn't do that in the Rose Bowl, when it counted the most:

Matt Leinart
Season average minus Texas game: 21-33-1 (64.7%) 288yds (8.73 ypa)
Stats for Texas game: 29-40-1 (72.5%) 365yds (9.13ypa)

Leinart passed for an almost 8% better completion average, almost 5% better yards per attempt (which is the more telling reading over yards per completion), and almost 27% more yardage than his season average against his other opponents. I don't know how to compute efficiency ratings, but I'd guess based on these stats that Leinart's rating against Texas was better than his season average against other opponents.

I'll loan you my tweezers so you can pick the "argument shrapnel" out of your face...

 

[BuckeyeRob]

I don't know what stars has to do with it, but I do know the starting four will be better than last year. Here is a comparison going into 2005 Vs 2006.

Tarell Brown 2005 >> Tarell Brown 2004
Michael Griffin 2005 > Michael Huff 2004 compare them if you don't beleive me.
Aaron Ross 2005 > Cedric Griffin 2004 Ross is >> in coverage and a little worse in run support.
Marcus Griffin 2005 < Michael Griffin 2004 Marcus is on a similar path to his twin brother but a year and a step behind.

On balance the starting four will be better than last year when Texas was one of the best passing defenses in the country 20 efficiency points better than tOSU. Believe me, they can hold a QB 25 points under their efficiency rating, 12% under the completetion percentage and 20% under their yards per completion. Oh and the rush defense will hold teams 60 yards below their rushing average like last year.

Gosh I didnt know that the Texas staff was full of moron's How did they EVER manage to win a national championship with such stupid coaches? I mean only an absolute MORON would start guys who werent as good as the "back ups"

 

[BuckeyeRob]

I do have a precedent on Smith, since the only comparable defense he started against last year was Penn State where he went 13-25-1, 0 TDs and 15 yards rushing. Also, after completing 50% in the jersey scrimmage, I am interested to see if he does better in the spring game.

And I predict that you're an idiot.... GUESS WHAT?! IM RIGHT

Smith is going to light up the texas defense like a christmas tree.

 

[xrayrandy]

Anything can happen but do you honestly expect to win by 24 and hold one of the best offenses next year to 14 points?

There seems to be a common misperception among Buckeye fans that you will have one of the best offenses in the country next year. I don't know why anyone would think that given that the tOSU was average last year, yes average.

If you insist at only looking at he games that Smith started, in those 9 regular season games tOSU averaged 401 yards against teams that averaged giving up 403. 6 of those teams averaged giving up over 400 yards. The tOSU offense was average last year, and the only honest conclusion one can reach is that the greatest likelyhood is that tOSU will be average on offense again next year.

Considering the results against the only two decent defenses you faced last year, Texas and Penn State, I do think tOSU can be held to 14 points (or less) on the road.

 

[BuckeyeRob]

21 pt favorite if at home last year? I dont think so Randy, nor do I think many other Horns would. However, this is all a little sidetracked.

This game should come down to basically 1 plausibility test as far as predictions are concerned: Is it more plausible that A) Jevan Snead or Colt McCoy play minimally-sufficent, mistake-free football to overcome the talented OSU D and let the rest of the Texas stars do their thing, or B) do Ohio State's new defensive starters come together and find enough cohesion at this point in the season to overcome an above-average, low mistake game by the young Texas QB's?

I tend to think the former is more plausible, but I am a Horn, yet nonetheless, they will all get their chance on the field, and I think it comes down to this aspect of the game above what anyone else wants to talk about.

The young texas quarterbacks can only pllay minimally-sufficent, mistake-free football IF they dont have buckeye defenders harassing them.

If you're a Texas fan you have to count on the fact that he will have time to set up, read and make the proper throw with 6-7 defenders blitzing.

OSU is going to load the box with 8/9 defenders and dare a rookie quarterback in the face of constant pressure to make plays. As a buckeye fan, I dont think they will consistently execute in decision makeing often enough to beat the buckeye's

And the dillusional tool that thinks the Texas defense is going to hold OSU to 14... Try not doing crack before you post. I dont think the Texas defense is going to be able to hold the OSU offense to under 27-30 I said a long time ago that whomever wins this game is probably going to have to score 30 or more to win it.

 

[BuckeyeRob]

There seems to be a common misperception among Buckeye fans that you will have one of the best offenses in the country next year. I don't know why anyone would think that given that the tOSU was average last year, yes average.

If you insist at only looking at he games that Smith started, in those 9 regular season games tOSU averaged 401 yards against teams that averaged giving up 403. 6 of those teams averaged giving up over 400 yards. The tOSU offense was average last year, and the only honest conclusion one can reach is that the greatest likelyhood is that tOSU will be average on offense again next year.

Considering the results against the only two decent defenses you faced last year, Texas and Penn State, I do think tOSU can be held to 14 points (or less) on the road.

Someone ban this moron..... PLEASE

 

[xrayrandy]

Gosh I didnt know that the Texas staff was full of moron's How did they EVER manage to win a national championship with such stupid coaches? I mean only an absolute MORON would start guys who werent as good as the "back ups"

Nowhere does my post on the DBs say that the backups were better than the starters.

Although since you mention it Ross (2005) was not only better in coverage than Cedric Griffin circa 2004, he was better in coverage than Cedric in 2005, but Cedric got the nod on seniority and run support.

 

[NFBuck]

Someone ban this moron..... PLEASE

Put him on ignore, thats what a couple of us have already done. He's only coming here to get a rise out of people at this point. His little mind believes there is no world outside of what last years statistics can prove. Of course if that was the fact last year, then Texas and VY would not have been the force they were...he just can't seem to grasp the concept that what happened last year does not equal what is going to happen this year. He has been on here digging up and then manipulating statistics to fit his agenda, which is to enflame the board. If we all start ignoring him, which I'm hoping more will, he will go away. :!

 

[MyMamaTastesFunny]

Nowhere does my post on the DBs say that the backups were better than the starters.

Although since you mention it Ross (2005) was not only better in coverage than Cedric Griffin circa 2004, he was better in coverage than Cedric in 2005, but Cedric got the nod on seniority and run support.

TAMFT: Texans Against Morons From Texas. XRay, you're embarassing the other posters from Texas who, for the most part, do so with intelligence. I hope for his sake that he's just trying to get a rise from you, and that he doesn't believe his rubbish. On the other hand, there's the OSU posters who claim they should have won last year. Any team that comes into the Shoe at night and comes out with a win earned it, period. Doesn't matter how you win; scratching, a lucky break, (hey, OSU got the breaks with turnovers) biting, bad calls, no matter, a win is a win is a win.

If we (UT, that is) win, it will be close. If anyone's in danger of getting behind big, it's UT. If it's a blowout, as "games of the century" often are, OSU will be the winner.

 

[Tlangs]

There seems to be a common misperception among Buckeye fans that you will have one of the best offenses in the country next year. I don't know why anyone would think that given that the tOSU was average last year, yes average.

If you insist at only looking at he games that Smith started, in those 9 regular season games tOSU averaged 401 yards against teams that averaged giving up 403. 6 of those teams averaged giving up over 400 yards. The tOSU offense was average last year, and the only honest conclusion one can reach is that the greatest likelyhood is that tOSU will be average on offense again next year.

Considering the results against the only two decent defenses you faced last year, Texas and Penn State, I do think tOSU can be held to 14 points (or less) on the road.

Total Yards doesn't mean didly poop. Over our last 7 games of last year we averaged 38 points a game. Our first five we averaged 24.8 points per game. Our offense improved steadily over the course of the entire year and I see no reason why it would stop improving. We have most of our talent returning. Our running game was a force the second half of the season. It is fair to say we will have a better offense than last year. For you to say we are average...that is is hilarious. If only we played in the Big 12 so we could run up 60 ponts on Kansas, Baylor, and Colorado maybe we could put up some impressive stats. Of course JT doesn't run up the score on people so you probably won't that in the near future.