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Zurp
I have misplaced my pants.
I don't remember that situation real well. I just remember that Cal lost in the Holiday Bowl to the Northern Technical College of the Blind Space Bandits. (I don't know how the Pumpkin Bombers made it to a bowl game that year.) I don't remember who beat Cal. But if you lose your non-BCS bowl game, your argument to be in a BCS bowl game has no merit.
And the argument that they were let down for not being in the game they felt they deserved to be in just further hurts their case. If you can't get pumped up to play against the Donkey Asses of Southern Utah Christian Society of Telemarketers, then don't even bother saying you should play in any bowl game.
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Mack can go to Tempe this year - I'm hoping that the Buckeyes play the 2nd bowl game that's held in Glendale, AZ in 2007.
Tempe will be the site of the Insight Bowl in December, 2006 - matching the 6th place team from the Big 10 against the 6th place team from the Big 12.
This year's BCS schedule:
Jan. 1, 2007 - Fiesta Bowl (Glendale, Ariz.)
Jan. 1, 2007 - Rose Bowl
Jan. 2, 2007 - Orange Bowl
Jan. 3, 2007 - Sugar Bowl
Jan. 8, 2007 - National Championship Game (Glendale, Ariz.)
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EngineerHorn
No todo alli
All three are appropriate nicknames for Texas Tech, to go along with Dirt Monkeys, Sand fleas, sand aggies, techtard, and shitwind. Although I absolutely loved them for what they did to Cal in that Holiday Bowl.
Viva Texas Tech!
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Zurp
I have misplaced my pants.
To be fair, I didn't know it was Texas Tech. I was just illustrating the fact that Cal lost in the Holiday Bowl, so they have to claim to the Rose Bowl that year. Just like Oregon this past year. Didn't they lose to someone in the Holiday Bowl? If so, they get no argument for deserving a BCS bowl.
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Following the recent theme, here is the Holiday Bowl result from December 29th, 2005:
Land Thieves 17, Oregon 14
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calibuck
Too soon old, too late smart
Actually, I thought Texas Tech was nicknamed the 'goat ropers'. Actual events nonwithstanding, Texas beating Meatchicken, and Cal losing to TT, all the polls, (I know I'm wide open on that one), indicated that Cal should have gone to the Rose. Yeah, it got big press out here, and there were quotes from Mack Brown on how his Texas team 'deserved to be in a BCS bowl'......until then Texas had never been in one......etc. etc. etc.
I equated those comments to Bobby Bowden when he lobbied for a piece of the national championship even though he had two losses. (I don't believe he got it, early 90's, I THINK). I stand corrected on the comparison from a BCS bowl to national championship consideration. It was still whinning in the press, though.
The Texas-Michigan game was great, and Cal got pummelled by the TT offense. So maybe justice prevailed, I don't know. I'll bet vcash that if HL googles the Austin newspaper back then he'll find a couple of quotes from Mack Brown suggesting what I have averred.
FYIW, I don't support any of the California teams, although my Ohio friends constantly accuse me of being a 'PAC 10' man, just because of proximity. Come by my house on game day and see the Block O flag hanging from the front porch.
Texans definitely dislike Californians. Kept getting run off the road with California plates, changed them to Texas, and the problem stopped. When I was there, I was known as the California Yankee. There's at least five strikes right there.
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I equated those comments to Bobby Bowden when he lobbied for a piece of the national championship even though he had two losses. (I don't believe he got it, early 90's, I THINK). I stand corrected on the comparison from a BCS bowl to national championship consideration. It was still whinning in the press, though.
The Texas-Michigan game was great, and Cal got pummelled by the TT offense. So maybe justice prevailed, I don't know. I'll bet vcash that if HL googles the Austin newspaper back then he'll find a couple of quotes from Mack Brown suggesting what I have averred.
FYIW, I don't support any of the California teams, although my Ohio friends constantly accuse me of being a 'PAC 10' man, just because of proximity. Come by my house on game day and see the Block O flag hanging from the front porch.
Texans definitely dislike Californians. Kept getting run off the road with California plates, changed them to Texas, and the problem stopped. When I was there, I was known as the California Yankee. There's at least five strikes right there.
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High Lonesome
Hook 'Em
Actually, I thought Texas Tech was nicknamed the 'goat ropers'. Actual events nonwithstanding, Texas beating Meatchicken, and Cal losing to TT, all the polls, (I know I'm wide open on that one), indicated that Cal should have gone to the Rose. Yeah, it got big press out here, and there were quotes from Mack Brown on how his Texas team 'deserved to be in a BCS bowl'......until then Texas had never been in one......etc. etc. etc.
I equated those comments to Bobby Bowden when he lobbied for a piece of the national championship even though he had two losses. (I don't believe he got it, early 90's, I THINK). I stand corrected on the comparison from a BCS bowl to national championship consideration. It was still whinning in the press, though.
The Texas-Michigan game was great, and Cal got pummelled by the TT offense. So maybe justice prevailed, I don't know. I'll bet vcash that if HL googles the Austin newspaper back then he'll find a couple of quotes from Mack Brown suggesting what I have averred.
FYIW, I don't support any of the California teams, although my Ohio friends constantly accuse me of being a 'PAC 10' man, just because of proximity. Come by my house on game day and see the Block O flag hanging from the front porch.
Texans definitely dislike Californians. Kept getting run off the road with California plates, changed them to Texas, and the problem stopped. When I was there, I was known as the California Yankee. There's at least five strikes right there.
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I know of the exact comments that you are talking about. Mack made them after Texas Beat aggy on Thanksgiving. At the time we were just behing Cal in the bcs. Mack pleaded with the voters to look at the Horns closely.(after all, at this point Cal's best "win" was their close loss to USC, other than that, nothing)Texas had the next week off and Cal went to Southern Miss to make up a game that had been postponed durring Hurricane season. In the new BCS poll the writers actually penalized Mack and horns as Cal pushed the lead out further. Then came the final weekend. The Golden Eagles could have won and if I remember correctly had the lead going into the 4th. This against a cal team with all the motivation in the world to have a good showing. They new that they needed to win impressivly and they didn't even come close. The next week the computers(not the writers) pushed Texas in front of the bears, Texas fans preceded to be called whiners(i am sure this rant isn't helping that stereotype) and the rest was history. Aaron Rodgers still hasn't shut up about it.
The link that I provided actually gives a mathmatical breakdown of how this happend.
edit: sorry if that makes no sense, it was just kinda flowing so i went with it
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EngineerHorn
No todo alli
Which is why, in that context, I thought my post would be funny. Hmmm....I'll stick with my day job.
What HL says is correct. That post he provided several posts up was read word for word on radio shows, television shows, etc, to prove UT deserved to be in the Rose Bowl (and weren't invited because of Mack's pleading).
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buckeye247
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It amazes me that their are so many texas fans on our board. To be honest i think this is the best fan board of any college team. It seems like whatever team we play their fans end up here trying to argue points back and forth. Is their a texas board that we could go to and post stats like xgayrandy does. Just wondering because i would love to do that.
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High Lonesome
Hook 'Em
hahaha, really there is www.hornfans.com , www.orangebloods.com , www.burntorangefanzone.com , and www.insidetexas.com
but most of them are just VY love fests right now
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High Lonesome
Hook 'Em
there are free boards to go on at the scout and rivals, BOFZ is an eye sore, and hornfans is ok
http://texas.rivals.com/forum.asp?sid=902&fid=61&style=2
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I'm wondering if a team's best "win" being a close loss to USC has ever actually garnered some team a BCS bid. I'm thinking about this, but nothing in recent history comes to mind. :tongue2:
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campies
Senior
Good stuff. Let's move the focus however from the benign stuff and interstate relations, and on to something directly football related. Seeing that we've already covered a large amount of topics in this thread, I thought I'd offer a more detailed analysis of a mildly touched upon subject that will in fact affect this year's game: 2006 recruiting classes. I have a feeling xrayrandy is licking his chops for this one, and since the threads usually go as he does, I figured we've dive right in :). Analysis from respective team and school would be logical and preferred, but feel free to add any input/insight you have on the players from either side.
Texas- National Ranking #3-5, 25 commits, 11 Defense, 13 Offense, 1 ST); Breakdown per Rivals: 5*- 2, 4*- 11, 3*- 12
Top 5 for each unit, in order of most likely early contributions contrasted with sheer talent.
Defense
1) DT Ben Alexander (5'11 285) 3* Anderson, SC - Most Texas fans should be very excited about this guy. Mack has already stated that he will come in and play as a freshman, partly due to our depth, partly due to his talent. Hard to get anymore certain about early contributions than that. A nose tackle with bullish strength and great quickness, he was a little under the radar due to lacking ideal height, however, in reality, is probably 6'0 or better, and was good enough to garner offers from Florida St, Florida, Georgia, ND, Va Tech, the Buckeyes, and us among others. He will be a player.
2) CB Chykie Brown (6'1 180) 4* Houston, TX- "Shockey" (pass it on to ESPN, others; its not "Shocker" either) looks to be one of the more talented DB's we've had come on the 40 acres (assuming he makes it in with his qualifying, though most indications are that he will). Combining outstanding leaping ability and speed, this tough run stopper and blanket corner is possibly the best athlete in the incoming class. He lands this high on my list because of the desperate need to develop depth in the secondary after this year's seniors move on. Chykie looks most like Aaron Ross, but plays coverage and run support more like Michael Huff.
3) LB Sergio Kindle (6'4 225) 5* Dallas, TX- If sheer talent were the only criterion, this guy would be head and shoulders above the rest. Many would argue this kid is the best 2-way talent to come out of the state of Texas since, well, who the hell knows? Its been a while since there's been someone like him. As an all-state RB he compares to Eddie George. As a LB (which is where he'll play at UT) he looks most like Derrick Johnson. How good can he be? No one knows. One thing is sure for, as an early enrollee, though a little raw in technique, he's more physically developed than any recruit we've had in the last few years, and getting to learn early, he will play next year. If not for our experience and depth at the linebacker position, he'd undoubtably have been higher. Nonetheless, its hard to argue he's the best physical specimen from this year's class, and POSSIBLY on next year's team. Guys like this are why we get excited about recruits.
4) DE Eddie Jones (6'3 240) 5* Kilgore, TX- Our other 5* recruit, Eddie is a stud, bottom line. Top prep DE for 2006. Though our starting DE spots are filled by 2 seniors, with talented, returning lettermen at the backups, DE is a spot that looks favorably on depth due to both injury, and having a dominant DE rotation. Eddie is not only extremely ready as a player to push returning guys for playing time from day 1, but he has a shown a competitive desire, to go with his beastly talent, that expects nothing less of himself than to crack the 2-deep once the workouts and season begins. That lends me to expect big things from him. Prototype DE prospect with speed, strength, and a non-stop motor that runs 'HOT' and 'HOTTER.'
5) LB Jared Norton (6'3 232) 4* Rowlett, TX- A great prospect that really came on during last season to land himself a spot on the Rivals100 list(no.89). Grew from a CB/S early in high school to a big LB by Jr year. He has a great size/speed package, but more importantly, plays with an inside linebacker mentality. Loves to stick his nose in the middle of the line and blow plays up, but is equally effective chasing down a RB on a sweep to the outside. Can't comment too much on his coverage skills, but had a pick his senior year, to go along with his 13 sacks. I would expect him to get some good work in the blowouts/patsy part of our schedule, plenty of conference games, and develop into a fan-favorite, expectation player poised for a breakout following year.
Offense
1) QB Jevan Snead (6'3 215) 4* Stephanville, TX - Kinda hard not to mention this guy. Taking over a defending National Championship as a freshman has a way of getting you "exposure." Its not set in stone that will be the starter yet, although it looks like it could in the coming months; nonetheless, he will play next year, and have a significant impact on this team's success. As you've probably heard, he's a good-sized guy with good if not great speed (4.6), but more importantly, he has one of the strongest arms of any 18 year old QB in the country, and ran a Shotgun-based, spread-option offense in high school. Aside from all that stuff that's good to hear, in the few months he went from graduating high school early, to enrolling and working out with the team, he's already running the offense as well or better than RS-Fr Colt McCoy. Now that obviously means jack about how "mature" or "skilled" he'll be Sept. 9th, but right now I think it contributes to us feeling about as good as we possibly could feel in the situation heading into the season.
2) ATH Deon Beasley (5'10 165) 4* Orange, TX- As the name would suggest, many people in the burnt orange are excited about getting Deon Beasley on campus. Anyone watching his tandem with Snead in the Army All-American game, topical as it may be, can see his talent and play-making ability. An electric play-maker who lined up all over the field in high school, he could defense as much as offense at Texas. Deon plays bigger than his size would suggest, and should continue to add weight and strength as he gets into summer. Nonetheless, he's certainly not what you think of as a "wirery" high school kid; well-built and athletic is a good way to describe him. I see him as an early contributer on offense as a wideout, and possibly the return game, but he may well begin training at defensive back from the start, which is where I believe he was recruited.
3) WR Phillip Payne (6'2 201) 4* Garland, TX- Bring the Payne! That was lame, but Phillip's game is not. Physically, as his Rivals' profile suggests, he looks a lot like Terrell Owens. That's always a plus, as long as we're talking PHYSICALLY, and from all intents we are; this kid is a specimen, plain and simple. Dominating at times on the HS level due to his attributes; perhaps a little raw at WR position, but everything I've seen of him suggests a very complete player for the position. Only elite prospects are more polished/effective at wideout. Looks to have a strong work ethic in preparation for the season and competing.
4) RB Vondrell McGee (5'10 190) 4* Longview, TX- A 2,000+ yd runner as Jr. in the toughest division of HS football in Texas, this kid has it all with the exception of better size for his running style, though thats more nitpicking than critiquing. Runs like a slightly taller/trimmer Mike Hart, with much, much better speed. He has the talent to be effective immediately as a RB or in the return game. Good reciever out of the backfield like Jamaal, he's a great overall prospect. Depth at running back hurts his overall position.
5) WR Josh Marshall (6'4 205) 3* Arlington, TX- Excellent size with very underated speed (watch him play), but most importantly, some of the most fly-paper hands of any wideout in recent years. A fluid athlete, who simply KNOWS how to play wide reciever, this kid is easily the most underrated member of our class, along with maybe Alexander. I expect him to come in and shock a lot of people with how good he looks in preseason workouts after they weren't expecting as much.
Honorable mention: DE Brian Ellis (6'5 250), DL Lamar Houston (6'3 260), DB James Henry (6'2 195), QB Sherrod Harris (6'3 212)
Well that about does it for my analysis. I'm sure the other Horns will jump in and add some revisions but I feel like thats pretty indicative of what many Longhorns think, but mostly, what I think. Love to hear the Buckeye rebutal on who the studs of y'alls new class are in addition to Chris Wells.
Texas- National Ranking #3-5, 25 commits, 11 Defense, 13 Offense, 1 ST); Breakdown per Rivals: 5*- 2, 4*- 11, 3*- 12
Top 5 for each unit, in order of most likely early contributions contrasted with sheer talent.
Defense
1) DT Ben Alexander (5'11 285) 3* Anderson, SC - Most Texas fans should be very excited about this guy. Mack has already stated that he will come in and play as a freshman, partly due to our depth, partly due to his talent. Hard to get anymore certain about early contributions than that. A nose tackle with bullish strength and great quickness, he was a little under the radar due to lacking ideal height, however, in reality, is probably 6'0 or better, and was good enough to garner offers from Florida St, Florida, Georgia, ND, Va Tech, the Buckeyes, and us among others. He will be a player.
2) CB Chykie Brown (6'1 180) 4* Houston, TX- "Shockey" (pass it on to ESPN, others; its not "Shocker" either) looks to be one of the more talented DB's we've had come on the 40 acres (assuming he makes it in with his qualifying, though most indications are that he will). Combining outstanding leaping ability and speed, this tough run stopper and blanket corner is possibly the best athlete in the incoming class. He lands this high on my list because of the desperate need to develop depth in the secondary after this year's seniors move on. Chykie looks most like Aaron Ross, but plays coverage and run support more like Michael Huff.
3) LB Sergio Kindle (6'4 225) 5* Dallas, TX- If sheer talent were the only criterion, this guy would be head and shoulders above the rest. Many would argue this kid is the best 2-way talent to come out of the state of Texas since, well, who the hell knows? Its been a while since there's been someone like him. As an all-state RB he compares to Eddie George. As a LB (which is where he'll play at UT) he looks most like Derrick Johnson. How good can he be? No one knows. One thing is sure for, as an early enrollee, though a little raw in technique, he's more physically developed than any recruit we've had in the last few years, and getting to learn early, he will play next year. If not for our experience and depth at the linebacker position, he'd undoubtably have been higher. Nonetheless, its hard to argue he's the best physical specimen from this year's class, and POSSIBLY on next year's team. Guys like this are why we get excited about recruits.
4) DE Eddie Jones (6'3 240) 5* Kilgore, TX- Our other 5* recruit, Eddie is a stud, bottom line. Top prep DE for 2006. Though our starting DE spots are filled by 2 seniors, with talented, returning lettermen at the backups, DE is a spot that looks favorably on depth due to both injury, and having a dominant DE rotation. Eddie is not only extremely ready as a player to push returning guys for playing time from day 1, but he has a shown a competitive desire, to go with his beastly talent, that expects nothing less of himself than to crack the 2-deep once the workouts and season begins. That lends me to expect big things from him. Prototype DE prospect with speed, strength, and a non-stop motor that runs 'HOT' and 'HOTTER.'
5) LB Jared Norton (6'3 232) 4* Rowlett, TX- A great prospect that really came on during last season to land himself a spot on the Rivals100 list(no.89). Grew from a CB/S early in high school to a big LB by Jr year. He has a great size/speed package, but more importantly, plays with an inside linebacker mentality. Loves to stick his nose in the middle of the line and blow plays up, but is equally effective chasing down a RB on a sweep to the outside. Can't comment too much on his coverage skills, but had a pick his senior year, to go along with his 13 sacks. I would expect him to get some good work in the blowouts/patsy part of our schedule, plenty of conference games, and develop into a fan-favorite, expectation player poised for a breakout following year.
Offense
1) QB Jevan Snead (6'3 215) 4* Stephanville, TX - Kinda hard not to mention this guy. Taking over a defending National Championship as a freshman has a way of getting you "exposure." Its not set in stone that will be the starter yet, although it looks like it could in the coming months; nonetheless, he will play next year, and have a significant impact on this team's success. As you've probably heard, he's a good-sized guy with good if not great speed (4.6), but more importantly, he has one of the strongest arms of any 18 year old QB in the country, and ran a Shotgun-based, spread-option offense in high school. Aside from all that stuff that's good to hear, in the few months he went from graduating high school early, to enrolling and working out with the team, he's already running the offense as well or better than RS-Fr Colt McCoy. Now that obviously means jack about how "mature" or "skilled" he'll be Sept. 9th, but right now I think it contributes to us feeling about as good as we possibly could feel in the situation heading into the season.
2) ATH Deon Beasley (5'10 165) 4* Orange, TX- As the name would suggest, many people in the burnt orange are excited about getting Deon Beasley on campus. Anyone watching his tandem with Snead in the Army All-American game, topical as it may be, can see his talent and play-making ability. An electric play-maker who lined up all over the field in high school, he could defense as much as offense at Texas. Deon plays bigger than his size would suggest, and should continue to add weight and strength as he gets into summer. Nonetheless, he's certainly not what you think of as a "wirery" high school kid; well-built and athletic is a good way to describe him. I see him as an early contributer on offense as a wideout, and possibly the return game, but he may well begin training at defensive back from the start, which is where I believe he was recruited.
3) WR Phillip Payne (6'2 201) 4* Garland, TX- Bring the Payne! That was lame, but Phillip's game is not. Physically, as his Rivals' profile suggests, he looks a lot like Terrell Owens. That's always a plus, as long as we're talking PHYSICALLY, and from all intents we are; this kid is a specimen, plain and simple. Dominating at times on the HS level due to his attributes; perhaps a little raw at WR position, but everything I've seen of him suggests a very complete player for the position. Only elite prospects are more polished/effective at wideout. Looks to have a strong work ethic in preparation for the season and competing.
4) RB Vondrell McGee (5'10 190) 4* Longview, TX- A 2,000+ yd runner as Jr. in the toughest division of HS football in Texas, this kid has it all with the exception of better size for his running style, though thats more nitpicking than critiquing. Runs like a slightly taller/trimmer Mike Hart, with much, much better speed. He has the talent to be effective immediately as a RB or in the return game. Good reciever out of the backfield like Jamaal, he's a great overall prospect. Depth at running back hurts his overall position.
5) WR Josh Marshall (6'4 205) 3* Arlington, TX- Excellent size with very underated speed (watch him play), but most importantly, some of the most fly-paper hands of any wideout in recent years. A fluid athlete, who simply KNOWS how to play wide reciever, this kid is easily the most underrated member of our class, along with maybe Alexander. I expect him to come in and shock a lot of people with how good he looks in preseason workouts after they weren't expecting as much.
Honorable mention: DE Brian Ellis (6'5 250), DL Lamar Houston (6'3 260), DB James Henry (6'2 195), QB Sherrod Harris (6'3 212)
Well that about does it for my analysis. I'm sure the other Horns will jump in and add some revisions but I feel like thats pretty indicative of what many Longhorns think, but mostly, what I think. Love to hear the Buckeye rebutal on who the studs of y'alls new class are in addition to Chris Wells.
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