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Game Thread Game Two: #1 Ohio State 24, #2 Texas 7 (9/9/06)

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texasfight06 said:
Sorry to nitpick again, but it's spelled Snead, and he is considered the much better talent. Also, not that it amounts to much, but Snead will actually be a grayshirt freshman, as he is already enrolled, and participated in spring practice. I still don't think it takes a superstar to throw a quick slant against or a fade to a 6'5" receiver when you have nine in the box. But no matter. Also, the decision on who will be QB will most lilkely not be decided by opening day against Denton High, and may not even be decided by tOSU game, as all comments and indications from the coaches are that we will do some type of 2 QB system. (I know that I just opened up a whole new can of worms for you to chomp on, but just wanted to let you know in case you didn't read the previous posts.) Lastly, I apologize if I implied the impression that losing Vince will not impact the offense, as I am more trying to portray what I think you will see from our offense in this game to account for the chasm that Vince left in our offensive production. Everyone knows that this will be a huge impact as he was responsible for most of our offense last year, but I am also of the impression that UT has an immense amount of talent on the offensive side, and Greg Davis will be changing the offense to accentuate our strengths, which should result in a different look and scheme. Less zone read for example. Will your defense be impacted by the loss of Carp, Hawk, Salley, Youboty, etc.? Exactly, that's what we are discussing here.
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I have NEVER contended that those losses wont have an impact.

What I have contended all along is that this game will basically be decided by the OSU offense vs the Texas defense. IMO the OSU defense vs the Texas offense will be negated out. When was the last time Texas started a true freshman or a RS freshman with 0 starting experience.... I can answer that a VERY, VERY long time.

As I have maintained all along IMO this game will come down to what happenes in the second half of the game. I happen to believe that the Texas defense will be a bit tired and the game will be won by the buckeyes late in the 4th.
 
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BuckeyeRob said:
Come on! Its called playing 1 defense by disguising as something else. Man drink a beer or something but you need to freaking chill!
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it's called debate. Two people have challenged your arguments and you're getting pretty upset with both of us for doing so.

This was your general comment about stacking the box, which was uttered in a few different places in this thread.
BuckeyeRob said:
Thats why you will almost certainly see 9 men in the box. Negate Charles ability to control the game. Force the rookie quarterback to consistently make plays.
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this sounds like tricking the QB into thinking there are two safeties deep and having them creep up on occasion. That doesn't sound like forcing the QB to consistently make plays... but rather tricking the OC into thinking he has more room to run the ball.
 
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BuckeyeKid789 said:
Pittman had a breakout year last year, it's just the media failed to recognize it. I consider going from less than 400 yards his freshman year to 1,300+ his sophomore year a breakout year. I hope Texas also thinks he's a medium-level threat because they'll be in for a surprise. Wells isn't taking the starting position away from Pittman unless Pitt gets injured, that's it.
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1300 yards? That's pretty impressive, and it qualifies as a breakout year. I am thinking more about some of the negative press he received last year, about not doing more. Heck, he could have 200 yard game against us--you never know.
 
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R0CK3TM4NN said:
I don't think of Pittman as a RB that will make plays happen by himself. Rather, when the blocks are there and the line does their job, Pittman will make his move and it will hurt you...badly. While #25 does not make the eye-popping plays that Smith or Ginn could, he silently bleeds defenses with consecutive 1st down conversions and so forth.

On a personality level, I think Pittman has garnered a lot of support and appreciation from our fanbase because he doesn't seem like a flash-and-dash superstar. He's only the third sophmore in tOSU history to get over 1000 yards in a season, and all because of hard work and determination.

Chris Wells is in no way going to usurp Pittman's starting position (especially after Antonio put up 1,331 yards last season). But IMO the combination of the two will be particularly effective. Needless to say, its a nice problem to have (which is why the only thing we've been arguing about as of late is our uniform :wink2:).
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Thanks for the info. Sounds like a sound guy that you can really root for. Sometimes, those are the kind of guys who make it big in the pros, while the really big names don't always fare as well.
 
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I think it says a lot about how confident Buckeye fans are in Pittman when y'all ask us if C.Wells (the 2nd coming of A.Peterson) is going to supplant Pitty and the resounding opinion is "Nuh uh". Dare I say that OSU fans have as much confidence in Pittman as the Texas fans have in Charles

We wouldn't have won all the games we did last year without Pittman. Even when the passing attack was sputtering, Pittman came to the rescue with 5-8 ypc or a quick 12 yard gain to get the first down. Ask a Minnesota fan or a scUM fan how good Antonio Pittman is. He outperformed Maroney and Hart in their respective games, yet doesn't get ANY media attention

If you think he's only worth one long carry vs. Notre Dame, I hope your football team thinks the same thing because they'll be in for a surprise.
 
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bukIpower said:
How Many Touchdowns did Notre Dame have 513?????? As far as I'm concerned as long as we hold them to NO touchdowns through the air we did our job. You can throw all the numbers you want out there man but the fact the matter is we played PREVENT DEFENSE the last quarter. If you know what prevent is then you'll know its very very soft coverage. Primarily to avoid big plays and keep everything in front of them which they did. The secondary did what was asked that game. I can see if you were to complain about the coaching scheme cuz I wasn't thrilled about our prevent in the 2nd half, but the players did as told.
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Notre Dame had 3 touchdowns, all scored by Walker. A player who, apparently, we "shut down".

Did our secondary do their job? Sure, Brady Quinn didn't throw a TD the entire game. Did our secondary shut down their receivers? No. There's a difference. If you're basing basing production solely on TDs, then I guess you also think that Michigan "shut down" Ginn and Gonzalez last November, huh?

It doesn't matter what defense we ran in the 4th. Only 94 of their 348 yards came in the 4th. They were able to move the ball through the air, often times with ease, throughout the majority of the 1st quarter and 2nd half.
 
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Buckeye513 said:
Notre Dame had 3 touchdowns, all scored by Walker. A player who, apparently, we "shut down".

Did our secondary do their job? Sure, Brady Quinn didn't throw a TD the entire game. Did our secondary shut down their receivers? No. There's a difference. If you're basing basing production solely on TDs, then I guess you also think that Michigan "shut down" Ginn and Gonzalez last November, huh?

It doesn't matter what defense we ran in the 4th. Only 94 of their 348 yards came in the 4th. They were able to move the ball through the air, often times with ease, throughout the majority of the 1st quarter and 2nd half.
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I agree with most of your post but the only reason they threw the ball well is because they threw short passes. Rarely past 10 yards. Your completion percentage is going to look good when you throw slants and screens all the time.
 
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I think we played a GREAT game on defense against ND... We gave up the majority of the yards in the 2nd half.. and again thats due to giving them the short routes and let them run the ball in between the tackles. I noticed a big difference in our style of play once we knew we could hang on for dear life to win the game. WE attacked the 1st half and some of the early second... but we did not play well on defense to end the game and thats mainly due to a bad gameplan to close the game down... We should've beat ND a lot worse than we did.

and as stated we didnt' give up any game changing plays (almost wit the gonzo drop)... we held Notre Dame to less yards/points than they were use to and thats all we could've asked for. So I claim that as a victory for the defense.
 
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BuckeyeKid789 said:
Gonzalez wasn't one of our top 2 recievers, Holmes was. And the difference is our recievers made momentum changing catches. All of Notre Dame's didn't change momentum or put them in position to win.
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Gonzalez and his clutch catches were an intricate part of our success last year. Starter or not, he wasn't just a slot guy.

How did they not put them in a position to win? Like I said, at least one of them made a big play on all 3 of their scoring drives.
 
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bukIpower said:
I think we played a GREAT game on defense against ND... We gave up the majority of the yards in the 2nd half.. and again thats due to giving them the short routes and let them run the ball in between the tackles. I noticed a big difference in our style of play once we knew we could hang on for dear life to win the game. WE attacked the 1st half and some of the early second... but we did not play well on defense to end the game and thats mainly due to a bad gameplan to close the game down... We should've beat ND a lot worse than we did.

and as stated we didnt' give up any game changing plays (almost wit the gonzo drop)... we held Notre Dame to less yards/points than they were use to and thats all we could've asked for. So I claim that as a victory for the defense.
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I never said that our defense didn't play well, do their job, or whatever other terminology you would like to use. What they didn't do is play a flawless game, which is what you're making their performance out to be, and shut down one of the most productive offenses in college football.
 
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Buckeye513 said:
Gonzalez and his clutch catches were an intricate part of our success last year. Starter or not, he wasn't just a slot guy.

How did they not put them in a position to win? Like I said, at least one of them made a big play on all 3 of their scoring drives.
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Stovall and Samardziga(damn, forgot how to spell his name) were their top 2 recievers so when comparing them to us you have to use our top 2 recievers which were Holmes and Ginn, not Ginn and Gonzalez. What did they do to put them in position to win during their other drives? Not enough obviously.
 
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BuckeyeKid789 said:
Stovall and Samardziga(damn, forgot how to spell his name) were their top 2 recievers so when comparing them to us you have to use our top 2 recievers which were Holmes and Ginn, not Ginn and Gonzalez. What did they do to put them in position to win during their other drives? Not enough obviously.
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Show me where I compared Holmes and Ginn to Stovall and Samardzija. I'd love to see what I said.
 
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