And we only have five scholarship players left on the team from that class:
Patterson*
Gonzo
Barton
Lukens
Boeckman
* - True senior...everyone else is red or grey shirt.
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And we only have five scholarship players left on the team from that class:
Patterson*
Gonzo
Barton
Lukens
Boeckman
* - True senior...everyone else is red or grey shirt.
RhodeIslandBuck
This guy's a real jerk
It's amazing what the '03 recruiting class could've been, it lacked the quantity but in no way did it lack quality and talent.
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pianobuck46
pianobuck46
I was thinking the same thing a few days ago.....but then, I wouldn't trade the ones that are left for anything!
:gobucks3: :osu2: :gobucks4:
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Texas freshmen replace Young
By JIM VERTUNO
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
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AUSTIN, Texas -
To this day, Texas coach Mack Brown insists he thought Vince Young would return to college football this season to make a run at another national title.
"I may have been the only one in America who did," Brown said.
In Brown's defense, Young had said as much leading up his star-making performance in the Rose Bowl.
But the quarterback had a change of heart a few days later and left for the NFL. Despite a 20-game winning streak and most starters returning, one news conference back in January dropped the Longhorns from national title favorite into the pack of contenders at No. 3.
That's because Brown, who traded the derogatory label of "Coach February" for the exclusive "National Champion," must try to repeat the title with a pair of freshman quarterbacks in Colt McCoy and Jevan Snead.
"After Vince left, it changed our position nationally because if he had returned, people would have thought we would have had a great chance to repeat," Brown said.
"Repeating is very hard to do, but winning a national championship is very hard to do. There's been no complacency. In fact, there's been more urgency to see if they can do it again."
Doing it with a freshman quarterback will take more than willpower and hard work. Texas will need some lucky breaks and bounces - the Longhorns lost only nine of 35 fumbles last season - and someone else will have to take over Young's role as a 6-foot-5, 230-pound playmaker.
Brown said Texas will use the same spread offense that Young ran to perfection even if McCoy and Snead don't scare defenses the way he did running the ball.
"We probably won't have the third-down-and-30 scrambles we had for first downs," Brown said.
Although Brown has not yet picked his starter for the Sept. 2 season opener against North Texas, McCoy has been taking more snaps with the first team and looked sharper in a scrimmage last weekend.
McCoy has the benefit of redshirting last season, and Brown said he would have played him if he had known Young would leave early. Snead graduated high school in December and joined the team for spring drills.
"Colt has been very efficient in both scrimmages we've had," Brown said. "Jevan is learning. You can see there is a tremendous amount of talent in both of them.
Brown says he'll play both quarterbacks, a prospect that makes some fans nervous.
Orangebloods remember the controversy that erupted around Major Applewhite and Chris Simms in 2000-2001 when Simms got the starting nod over Applewhite, who eventually finished his career as the most prolific passer in school history.
In 2003, Young shared time with Chance Mock before taking over as the starter midway through the season.
"People love playing two quarterbacks around here," Brown joked.
"What we are planning to do is whatever we have to in order to win. I learned a lot through the time with Chris and Major, and one of the things we did learn is that it became about them instead of the team. That was really unhealthy."
McCoy called the competition with Snead "great."
"Our teammates are doing great with the whole situation," McCoy said. "We're out there getting better every day. What's best for this team is what's going to happen."
While the personnel losses were few, they were important.
Safety Michael Huff, who won the Thorpe Award last season, and tight end David Thomas, last season's leading receiver, must be replaced.
Former tailback Ramonce Taylor scored 15 touchdowns last season but left the team after academic and legal troubles.
Tailback is Texas' deepest position. Selvin Young, Jamaal Charles and Henry Melton combined for 1,771 yards and 29 touchdowns last season.
Defensively, the Longhorns may have their best front seven in years, anchored by tackle Frank Okam and ends Brian Robison and Tim Crowder.
Just like last season, an early matchup with No. 1 Ohio State should determine the Longhorns' place in the hunt for the national title. Texas won 25-22 on the road last year, and the Buckeyes come to Austin on Sept. 9.
Texas won the Big 12 South last season by snapping a five-game losing streak to Oklahoma. The Longhorns and Sooners meet in Dallas on Oct. 7, and who wins the division may depend on which team has the fewest questions at quarterback by then.
So just like last year, Texas should be in or out of the national championship picture by early October.
"We won't know until we get in trouble," Brown said. "That's when Vince was at his best."
Texas freshmen replace Young
By JIM VERTUNO
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
<!-- begin body-content --> 'Horns defend their title with two new QBs
AUSTIN, Texas -
To this day, Texas coach Mack Brown insists he thought Vince Young would return to college football this season to make a run at another national title.
"I may have been the only one in America who did," Brown said.
In Brown's defense, Young had said as much leading up his star-making performance in the Rose Bowl.
But the quarterback had a change of heart a few days later and left for the NFL. Despite a 20-game winning streak and most starters returning, one news conference back in January dropped the Longhorns from national title favorite into the pack of contenders at No. 3.
That's because Brown, who traded the derogatory label of "Coach February" for the exclusive "National Champion," must try to repeat the title with a pair of freshman quarterbacks in Colt McCoy and Jevan Snead.
"After Vince left, it changed our position nationally because if he had returned, people would have thought we would have had a great chance to repeat," Brown said.
"Repeating is very hard to do, but winning a national championship is very hard to do. There's been no complacency. In fact, there's been more urgency to see if they can do it again."
Doing it with a freshman quarterback will take more than willpower and hard work. Texas will need some lucky breaks and bounces - the Longhorns lost only nine of 35 fumbles last season - and someone else will have to take over Young's role as a 6-foot-5, 230-pound playmaker.
Brown said Texas will use the same spread offense that Young ran to perfection even if McCoy and Snead don't scare defenses the way he did running the ball.
"We probably won't have the third-down-and-30 scrambles we had for first downs," Brown said.
Although Brown has not yet picked his starter for the Sept. 2 season opener against North Texas, McCoy has been taking more snaps with the first team and looked sharper in a scrimmage last weekend.
McCoy has the benefit of redshirting last season, and Brown said he would have played him if he had known Young would leave early. Snead graduated high school in December and joined the team for spring drills.
"Colt has been very efficient in both scrimmages we've had," Brown said. "Jevan is learning. You can see there is a tremendous amount of talent in both of them.
Brown says he'll play both quarterbacks, a prospect that makes some fans nervous.
Orangebloods remember the controversy that erupted around Major Applewhite and Chris Simms in 2000-2001 when Simms got the starting nod over Applewhite, who eventually finished his career as the most prolific passer in school history.
In 2003, Young shared time with Chance Mock before taking over as the starter midway through the season.
"People love playing two quarterbacks around here," Brown joked.
"What we are planning to do is whatever we have to in order to win. I learned a lot through the time with Chris and Major, and one of the things we did learn is that it became about them instead of the team. That was really unhealthy."
McCoy called the competition with Snead "great."
"Our teammates are doing great with the whole situation," McCoy said. "We're out there getting better every day. What's best for this team is what's going to happen."
While the personnel losses were few, they were important.
Safety Michael Huff, who won the Thorpe Award last season, and tight end David Thomas, last season's leading receiver, must be replaced.
Former tailback Ramonce Taylor scored 15 touchdowns last season but left the team after academic and legal troubles.
Tailback is Texas' deepest position. Selvin Young, Jamaal Charles and Henry Melton combined for 1,771 yards and 29 touchdowns last season.
Defensively, the Longhorns may have their best front seven in years, anchored by tackle Frank Okam and ends Brian Robison and Tim Crowder.
Just like last season, an early matchup with No. 1 Ohio State should determine the Longhorns' place in the hunt for the national title. Texas won 25-22 on the road last year, and the Buckeyes come to Austin on Sept. 9.
Texas won the Big 12 South last season by snapping a five-game losing streak to Oklahoma. The Longhorns and Sooners meet in Dallas on Oct. 7, and who wins the division may depend on which team has the fewest questions at quarterback by then.
So just like last year, Texas should be in or out of the national championship picture by early October.
"We won't know until we get in trouble," Brown said. "That's when Vince was at his best."
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xrayrandy
Blowhard Statistician
I thought I would share some numbers I dug up on head to head competition between the ten all time winningest programs. I considered scoreboard, all time head-to-head records, winning percentage and total wins. Then assigned a value from 1 to 10 in each category and added them together. The lowest total is the best overall head-to-head performer.
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Team Points
Texas 10
Notre Dame 10
Southern Cal 13
Oklahoma 18
Michigan 18
Alabama 19
Nebraska 29
Penn St 31
Ohio St 32
Tennessee 35
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Scoreboard (Won or lost the most recent game against each opponent)
Texas 7-2
Southern Cal 6-2-1
Notre Dame 6-3
Nebraska 4-4-1
Oklahoma 4-5
Alabama 4-5
Penn St 4-5
Ohio St 4-5
Michigan 2-7
Tennessee 2-7
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Head-to-Head Record (by opponent)
Southern Cal 6-2-1
Texas 6-3-0
Michigan 5-4
Alabama 5-4
Notre Dame 4-3-2
Oklahoma 4-3-2
Penn St 2-3-4
Tennessee 2-4-3
Ohio St 2-5-2
Nebraska 2-7
Winning%
Notre Dame 57.3
Michigan 56.7
Texas 55.7
Alabama 51.8
Southern Cal 50.0
Nebraska 46.4
Oklahoma 46.2
Penn St 44.6
Tennessee 44.2
Ohio St 43.0
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Wins and Overall record against the top ten
Notre Dame 98 98-72-8
Oklahoma 91 91-107-10
Michigan 89 89-67-8
Texas 75 75-59-6
Southern Cal 67 67-67-8
Alabama 66 66-61-9
Ohio St 64 64-86-7
Nebraska 61 61-71-6
Tennessee 46 46-59-7
Penn St 41 41-51-1
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Texas plays 3 all-time top ten opponents during the regular season and possibly two more in post season, so this year could vault UT to an uncontested #1.
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Team Points
Texas 10
Notre Dame 10
Southern Cal 13
Oklahoma 18
Michigan 18
Alabama 19
Nebraska 29
Penn St 31
Ohio St 32
Tennessee 35
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Scoreboard (Won or lost the most recent game against each opponent)
Texas 7-2
Southern Cal 6-2-1
Notre Dame 6-3
Nebraska 4-4-1
Oklahoma 4-5
Alabama 4-5
Penn St 4-5
Ohio St 4-5
Michigan 2-7
Tennessee 2-7
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Head-to-Head Record (by opponent)
Southern Cal 6-2-1
Texas 6-3-0
Michigan 5-4
Alabama 5-4
Notre Dame 4-3-2
Oklahoma 4-3-2
Penn St 2-3-4
Tennessee 2-4-3
Ohio St 2-5-2
Nebraska 2-7
Winning%
Notre Dame 57.3
Michigan 56.7
Texas 55.7
Alabama 51.8
Southern Cal 50.0
Nebraska 46.4
Oklahoma 46.2
Penn St 44.6
Tennessee 44.2
Ohio St 43.0
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Wins and Overall record against the top ten
Notre Dame 98 98-72-8
Oklahoma 91 91-107-10
Michigan 89 89-67-8
Texas 75 75-59-6
Southern Cal 67 67-67-8
Alabama 66 66-61-9
Ohio St 64 64-86-7
Nebraska 61 61-71-6
Tennessee 46 46-59-7
Penn St 41 41-51-1
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Texas plays 3 all-time top ten opponents during the regular season and possibly two more in post season, so this year could vault UT to an uncontested #1.
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what exactly is your criteria here? 3 losses for texas, despite the 1-4 record to OU? Ohio state is 2-5-2, despite 4-1 vs UM, & 3-2 vs PSU, & 1-0 against ND (3-0 if you count the 90's).
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Damn Josh pay attention...
Randy's criteria is whatever he needs it to be.
He is a numerical Tibor...
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still waiting for him to explain why VY threw the pick to AJ if he was never pressured.... tho I'm sure he's been far too busy to read all of these posts mocking his braindead logic.
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He threw it to AJ because he wanted to...damn. He made it a close game for the dramatic appeal.
THINK MAN, THINK!!
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Buckeye86
I do not choose to discuss it
I watched that play on the highlights while I was standing in the autograph lines several times on Monday and VY had two guys literally hanging off of him when he threw the ball to Hawk. If that wasn't a QB pressure I don't know what the hell is. I know I'm preaching to the choir here but that's what I thought when I saw the play again.
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The first listing is the total points from his four categories. The leader in each category gets 1 point, and the less points the better.
Category 1 lists the record against each of the other top-10 teams, since they've now all played each other, but it only counts the most recent game in each series. Thus each team has 9 games.
The next category lists how many of the other 9 teams each team has a winning record against; this category uses all of the games ever played. But each series against another team will be either one win, one loss, or a tie.
Winning % and most wins are clear.
Note to self - is it a bad thing that I understood xray's method? :tongue2:
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thx, bb73... talk about a self-serving system indeed. Someone should let PSU know that when they beat UM for the first time in 9 years, they can ignore reality like randy and celebrate being undefeated against the team they used to be owned by.
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