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Game Thread Game Two: #1 Ohio State 24, #2 Texas 7 (9/9/06)

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let me paraphrase randy's post...

since I have been called out on the idiocy of my IAA record against inferior coaches comment, I will spout off some x's and o's in an attempt to make it look like I know what I am talking about.
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Can you please answer the question?

To flip it around. In UTs scheme they do swap sides strong to weak. The weakside DT is called an NT by the staff because he generally lines up off the center's outside shoulder (1 technique). This generally leads to him being double teamed by the guard. The other tackle is then in 3 technique off the opposite guard's outside shoulder. He will normally end up 1 on 1 with that guard as the tackle has to play the end.

This is one reason why it is a big deal that Okam is switching to DT, since he dominates when blocked by only 1 guard. If you watched the national championship game, his sack and QB pressure that came a couple plays later happened during a drive where he was at DT and Dibbles was in at NT.

Given that the weakest spot in your line may be LG just like ours, I can see the Texas coaches trying to get Okam over him in 3 technique, so he can spend a lot of time in the tOSU backfield.

While pondering that it occurred to me that Pitcock could try to do the same thing to Texas. That's why I asked the question.
 
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xrayrandy said:
Given that the weakest spot in your line may be LG just like ours, I can see the Texas coaches trying to get Okam over him in 3 technique, so he can spend a lot of time in the tOSU backfield.
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Sometimes a DT spending that much time in the backfield is not a good thing...keep overpenetrating and get trapped to death. Now if you say he will guarantee a double team or can guarantee a two gap responsibility, I agree that the mismatch is valid.

Beyond that small observation, imo, the various DL/OL head-to-head matchups are moot. Both DLs are too athletic to sit in a straight, traditional 4-3, 3 tech/1 tech formation. There will be plenty of prowling along the line and then twists, loops, slants, etc all game long. The tOSU OL will be zoning anyway and I assume UT will as well.
 
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randy

quote "Given that the weakest spot in your line may be LG just like ours, I can see the Texas coaches trying to get Okam over him in 3 technique, so he can spend a lot of time in the tOSU backfield. "unquote

We wont have a weak spot in our line , so our "weakest" spot will still be a strong spot and okum will be able to bench sit.

I dont think one player can handle pitcock, you will need to assign a double team to him.

when your team wins all the rest we will look that much better. Oh wait you play Okla too dont you?
Dang how do? I spell okhum?


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would it be mean to say that at least the "blowhard" part is right?
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quote "Given that the weakest spot in your line may be LG just like ours, I can see the Texas coaches trying to get Okam over him in 3 technique, so he can spend a lot of time in the tOSU backfield. "unquote

We wont have a weak spot in our line , so our "weakest" spot will still be a strong spot and okum will be able to bench sit.

I dont think one player can handle pitcock, you will need to assign a double team to him.

when your team wins all the rest we will look that much better. Oh wait you play Okla too dont you?
Dang how do? I spell okhum?


:oh: :io:

would it be mean to say that at least the "blowhard" part is right?
haha
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I don't think xrayrandy's last couple of posts warranted this type of response.

Some of xray's posts have indicated homerism on his part, and he's been asked to be more careful about how he posts. When he engages in a reasonable football discussion, I think our responses toward him should also be reasonable. That wil help promote a better quality of football talk for this thread.
 
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The reality of football is that defensive tackles do not draw double teams every play in the 4-3, especially when they are in 3 technique. It just can't happen, since that means either the TE has to block the end or a RB has to double. More often the QB just has to release the ball before the DT can get there if he's a dangerous pass rusher. However in the 3-4 the nose guard does usually get double teamed and that is true of Pittcock as it is for any decent NG.

Since I didn't get the answer to my question I watched the first half of my Fiesta bowl DVD, and this is what I found. Pitcock lines up at right tackle exclusively in the 4-3 sets. He was always in 3 tech when on the strong side, and alternated 3 tech and 1 tech when on the weak side or when there was no TE. He was always 1 tech in 3-4 fronts with the side depending on the strength of the offensive formation.

Anyway it does appear that he will be over our left guard most of the game if this is consistent with his assignments in other games. So, It should be a matchup to watch, and I will look for substitutions at LG for UT.

OSUgrad is correct that it an overmatched LG won't matter as much when the lines are zone blocking. UT zone blocked most of the time on running downs last year and I don't expect that to change.
 
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xrayrandy said:
The reality of football is that defensive tackles do not draw double teams every play in the 4-3, especially when they are in 3 technique.
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Of course it won't happen EVERY play, plays away or 1-3 step schemes don't require that...however, if said player is a dangerous pass rusher (I was thinking more in terms of rushing) pass protection can easily be tweaked to funnel dangerous players into a double team or, as you stated, chip a Rback in there. As you stated, "when they are in a 3 technique," is not a good example at all. Stationary 3's will get a defense abused...hence, multiple DL stunts and blitz combos. Your description of a 3-4 is misguided as well, the NG MUST demand a double team or the LBs are in trouble. There is no maybe or should...

However, thanks for the dose reality of football Randy...it made plenty of sense :roll2:
 
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I'd just like to interrupt for a moment and commend you all for your ability to keep up with this thread.

No, seriously...

Not only is it moving quickly, the bulk of it is (for me, anyway) darn near unreadable, as there's so much chest-thumping going on here.


This brought me to another conclusion--I should add my $0.02, since it really couldn't hurt the thread all that much :)

Texas is a great team. I have the utmost respect for their players, skill level, and especially for the season they put together last year. They were great to watch... painful, after Sept. 10, but still great. Mack did a hell of a job coaching them, and Vince was just amazing.

They are returning a great O-line, speedy, talented wideouts, and running backs who, frankly, scare the bejeebers out of me.
The defense is fast and aggressive, with a defensive line that makes one wonder just how anyone will be able to sustain a drive on them. The only real weakness I see is the QB position, and I have to believe that the UT staff will have things simplified to the point that the QB's will not be overwhelmed (And hopefully will be able to at least keep opposing defenses honest).

This should be a HELL of a game. I look down the list of matchups between our two teams and have to write the word "push" after each (except maybe the UT QB's, as mentioned above).

This game scares me. I think OSU has a great chance to win, with Troy and Antonio Pittman carrying the day for us--the stats probably won't reflect it come Sept, but that seems to me to be where the HEART of our offense is--and where credit will be due)

I'd love nothing more than to be in Austin in six weeks, discussing this with the locals over a couple brews (with utmost civility, I assure you), then raising a beer to the winner at the end of the game. I'll have to settle for watching the game from stinky ole Lansing, then going to school to raise instead a tube of freshly purified RNA (which I assure you is much less fun than beer).

So all blathering aside, Here's to Texas, and the Longhorns who are such engaging visitors. May your time here be pleasant, and may you feel welcome to return for many a crisp Autumn to come.


( End Serious Discussion )
. . .
(Resume Chest-Thump Mode)

...All that aside, We's a gonna Chimp-Fuck y'all come September :wink:
 
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Best Buckeye said:
quote "Given that the weakest spot in your line may be LG just like ours, I can see the Texas coaches trying to get Okam over him in 3 technique, so he can spend a lot of time in the tOSU backfield. "unquote

We wont have a weak spot in our line , so our "weakest" spot will still be a strong spot and okum will be able to bench sit.

I dont think one player can handle pitcock, you will need to assign a double team to him.

when your team wins all the rest we will look that much better. Oh wait you play Okla too dont you?
Dang how do? I spell okhum?


:oh: :io:

would it be mean to say that at least the "blowhard" part is right?
haha
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Learn how to use the quotes....learn how to type....quit being an ass....take two of these and go visit Bucknuts in the morning:
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For all the accolades being showered on Chris Wells,(I'll admit rightly so), might his blocking skills, or rather lack there of, prevent him from getting more carries early in the season, particularly the Texas game where the UT defense is sure to use a variety of blitz packages in order to pressure T. Smith. For someone like Wells who was not asked to perfect his blocking technique in H.S., this could be a problem and a big concern early on.
 
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