Not quite as I took it, but that sounds more like what HL would post. Even of Snead were indeed in the ballpark of Young's freshman ability, I still really like our chances...
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Not quite as I took it, but that sounds more like what HL would post. Even of Snead were indeed in the ballpark of Young's freshman ability, I still really like our chances...
I don't think so. I'm not saying Texas should have locked down USC completely and held them to 200 yards ... but 574? Are you kidding me?
Before USC was the greatest team of all time, Miami, Fla. was the greatest team of all time. OSU's 2002 D held them to 320 yards of offense in regulation. That 2002 Miami team had 4 1st round picks on offense, and 7 1st round picks on defense ... didn't matter.
Defense wins championships. In the absence of that, we've now witnessed that Vince Young wins championships too. Problem for me is that I'm not convinced Texas returns either. Vince Young ... obviously, but teams did move the ball on the Texas D, especially on the ground, where Texas finished ranked #33 in the nation for rush defense. I find that figure surprising since the Texas lines are generally regarded as a strength.
Heck, even lowly old Notre Dame only allowed 476 yards of offense to the Trojans.
All of this, of course, has no bearing on the specific matchup between Ohio State and Texas, but rather my feeling that xrayrandy's expectations for a repeat championship are probably a reach, and not just because VY is gone.
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Nonsense. If Ohio State can run up the score against Kent State in 2002, I have no reason to think Ohio State wont hang 50 on Texas. :p
Anyway.... I would be betting that Texas' strength next year, especially early in the year will be the running game. And while OSU's defensive replacement issues are well known, the one area where OSU's returning D is strongest is the Dline.
Strength against strength, so it seems to me. (Not to imply you've been suggesting anything else, EH.. I quoted you for the joke, not for the follow up remarks)
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xrayrandy
Blowhard Statistician
I didn't say the first one. Your offense is not to be feared because they are average. tOSU played 7 teams that averaged giving up over 400 yards of offense. You averaged 400 yards of offense, so what.As for a few other ridiculous points you have made,
(1) Your statement that our offense is not to be feared b/c we only put up 34 against ND's crummy defense. If you actually took the time to inform yourself before you started typing, you'd realize that in that game we had two FGs inexplicably blocked, and a fumble on an attempted option at ND's 8 yard line. That game could have very easily been a near 50 pointer for us. Go check the total yards if you don't believe me.
(2) Your statement that you can't see how our offense will put up more than 13 or 14 points against you. Again, it's laughable. Your entire logic is predicated upon things being exactly the same as last year. You refuse to see that your defense is losing some great players (I know, I know, the guy filling in for the Thorpe award winner is even better), and you refuse to admit that it's even possible that our offese, Troy in particular, could possibly perform any better than it did against you last season.
On defense Rod Wright and Aaron Harris were injured much of the time and didn't play that great, so replacing them with someone who can play better is not that hard. Aaron Ross already was a better cover corner that Cedric griffin, so that isn't a big deal. Huff, or more precisely Michael Griffin's vacated FS spot, is the only place we will see a dropoff. Add in that the seven returning starters all appear to have improved over last year, and you can see that the defense will be a lot better this year, baring some major injuries.
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Being that Randy so enjoys statistics, methinks he oughta do a stat analysis on repeat champions. He'll find that they are a rare bird indeed. Last one I can think of is Nebby in 96, 97. (No, I don't count USC's AP championship in 03 and it's 04 BCS championship. Love or hate the system, the system is the BCS (And Carrol himself said as much in 2003 on selection day))
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yeah but how long did Charlie Weis have to prepare for ND?Dryden said:
or USC for that matter :2004:
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I get it... So, when we look at Ohio State, we should use some sort of dry statistical analysis. But, when we look at Texas, we should allow for excuses. Gotcha.
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Well, whether you use BCS polls, AP polls, ESPN/USA Today Coaches polls, UPI polls or whatever, you can take the repeat champion analysis to a further level in this case.
I present, the comprehensive list of teams that have repeated as champions with a Freshman QB:
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Impressive list.
Something tells me the response will be akin to, "Yeah, well, even if the chances of it occurring are a billion to one, it will occur. Why not this year??"
Something tells me the response will be akin to, "Yeah, well, even if the chances of it occurring are a billion to one, it will occur. Why not this year??"
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JFC. Do you do anything, ANYTHING, but look up stats? Here's some for you, Professor. We averaged 485 yards and 39 points a game the last half of the season, a marked improvement from the first half when, coincidentally, Troy Smith was shaking the rust off.
We will not be the same offense you faced last year...
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High Lonesome
Hook 'Em
Clearing the air
I was responding to a post that said that we had no one that was withing "sniffing reach" of VY as a recruit. My contention was that Snead actualy is in that distance as a recruit. I would never say that he is anywhere near what Vince was last year, anywhere close to the running threat, or that he will even have that potential. What a was saying, is that an arguement can be made that he is a better passer than Vince was as a freshman and a Bomar type athlete(which is to say solid, not vincesque)
All of our coaches have said that both Colt and Jevan are further along in the passing game than Vince was at this point, they just don't have anywhere near the potential.
If these are true then we will have a decent/good qb next year and at this point anything else would be gravy. I can live with that, now just limit mistakes.
I was responding to a post that said that we had no one that was withing "sniffing reach" of VY as a recruit. My contention was that Snead actualy is in that distance as a recruit. I would never say that he is anywhere near what Vince was last year, anywhere close to the running threat, or that he will even have that potential. What a was saying, is that an arguement can be made that he is a better passer than Vince was as a freshman and a Bomar type athlete(which is to say solid, not vincesque)
All of our coaches have said that both Colt and Jevan are further along in the passing game than Vince was at this point, they just don't have anywhere near the potential.
If these are true then we will have a decent/good qb next year and at this point anything else would be gravy. I can live with that, now just limit mistakes.
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inVINCEable
Booyakasha!
Is it also coincidence that during that stretch you faced some of the worst defenses in all of college football including Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, and Notre Dame? The only defense that I can find respectable among that list was Michigan.
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martinss01
blissfully stupid
i in no way would make anything resembling a compairo between the 02 tOSU d and the 05 texas d. i doubt there are many on this board who would. i was simply pointing out the caliber of the offense they were facing.
randy tends to overhype pretty much everything associated to texas. expecially when there might be a stat or 2 he can bastardize to support his claims.
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