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Game Thread Game Two: #1 Ohio State 24, #2 Texas 7 (9/9/06)

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If you look at strength of schedule (NCAA) last season, the Big 12 had 6 teams in the top 25; 1, 7, 10, 12, 20, 21 (OU, UT, Tech, KU, CU, A&M).

The Big 10 had 4 teams in the top 25; 3, 4, 6, 13 (tOSU, UM, NW, MN)

Tell me again which conference is tougher top to bottom? It looks like the Big 12 is from the data.

If you only care about the top teams, conference A has 3 national champions in its ten years of existance, while conference B has 3 national championships in the last 40 years. I think conference A sounds more impressive.
 
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xrayrandy said:
If you look at strength of schedule (NCAA) last season, the Big 12 had 6 teams in the top 25; 1, 7, 10, 12, 20, 21 (OU, UT, Tech, KU, CU, A&M).

The Big 10 had 4 teams in the top 25; 3, 4, 6, 13 (tOSU, UM, NW, MN)

Tell me again which conference is tougher top to bottom? It looks like the Big 12 is from the data.

If you only care about the top teams, conference A has 3 national champions in its ten years of existance, while conference B has 3 national championships in the last 40 years. I think conference A sounds more impressive.
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Because historical data is the best way to determine the conferences on a year by year basis.




How good is that Texas football team anyway?
 
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xrayrandy said:
If you look at strength of schedule (NCAA) last season, the Big 12 had 6 teams in the top 25; 1, 7, 10, 12, 20, 21 (OU, UT, Tech, KU, CU, A&M).

The Big 10 had 4 teams in the top 25; 3, 4, 6, 13 (tOSU, UM, NW, MN)

Tell me again which conference is tougher top to bottom? It looks like the Big 12 is from the data.

If you only care about the top teams, conference A has 3 national champions in its ten years of existance, while conference B has 3 national championships in the last 40 years. I think conference A sounds more impressive.
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So, let me understand this.... It doesn't matter if you win or lose, it's just that you end up with a "strong schedule" that is a factor in strongest conference? Because here's some records to go along with your SOS ratings:

OU 7-4
CU 7-5
KU 6-5
A&M 5-6

As for your observation regarding championships.... I don't think you've done anything to dispell the contention that the easier the conf. the more likely it is you'll go undefeated (and win the title)

How many Championships does the ACC have since 1990? How many of them have been by a team not named Flast? Try the Big east and Miami... want to tell me how strong those confreneces are (and I'm talking Old ACC)
 
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xrayrandy said:
If you look at strength of schedule (NCAA) last season, the Big 12 had 6 teams in the top 25; 1, 7, 10, 12, 20, 21 (OU, UT, Tech, KU, CU, A&M).

The Big 10 had 4 teams in the top 25; 3, 4, 6, 13 (tOSU, UM, NW, MN)

Tell me again which conference is tougher top to bottom? It looks like the Big 12 is from the data
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Oh yeah. I keep thinking that the results of those "difficult" games are important. I forgot that all you have to do to show that you're a tough team is have a tough schedule.

If I stand in the same room as a rocket scientist, does that mean that I'm qualified to put someone on the moon?
 
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Zurp said:
So maybe Baylor should play Illinois to see which conference is better? I guess I see your point.

This reminds me of when Purdue played Kansas State in the Alamo Bowl. Was that after the 1998 season? Kansas State had been #1 in the BCS all year (ahead of Ohio State) and then lost a late game. Did they maybe lose the conference championship game? Anyway, that was arguably the #2 best team in the Big XII against the #5 team in the Big Ten. I think that the two teams combined for 7,000 pass attempts, and Purdue won that game. (IIRC.)
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Yes, they lost their conference championship game--to A&M.
 
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xrayrandy said:
If you only care about the top teams, conference A has 3 national champions in its ten years of existance, while conference B has 3 national championships in the last 40 years. I think conference A sounds more impressive.
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Or put another way.

In its 10 years of existence the Big 12 netted BCS championships in 2000 and 2005. They also have the non-AP National Championship in the party of Nebraska in 1997.
The Big 10 netted the AP National Championship in 1997 and (well known round these parts) the BCS in 2002.
So in a small ten year window defined by the Big 12's existence window we have 2 "outright" national titles and one shared for the Big 12 - 3 in total, and 2 in total for the Big 10.

It's nice xray, but it isn't as stunning as you present it when viewed through the lens of the same time period.
 
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xrayrandy said:
If you look at strength of schedule (NCAA) last season, the Big 12 had 6 teams in the top 25; 1, 7, 10, 12, 20, 21 (OU, UT, Tech, KU, CU, A&M).

The Big 10 had 4 teams in the top 25; 3, 4, 6, 13 (tOSU, UM, NW, MN)

Tell me again which conference is tougher top to bottom? It looks like the Big 12 is from the data.

If you only care about the top teams, conference A has 3 national champions in its ten years of existance, while conference B has 3 national championships in the last 40 years. I think conference A sounds more impressive.
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The NCAA's SOS is a terrible measure of SOS. It looks at only the win-loss records of opponents, and consideres nothing else. It considers a 10-2 opponent from the Big12 to be equal to a 10-2 opponent from the Sun Belt.
 
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