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Game Thread Game One: Ohio State 34, Miami of Ohio 14 (final)

CountryRedHawk said:
As for our team.... it's all heart. Size doesn't matter, it's how you use it. Our DL will be fine. (funny you should bring it up) Miami's D is tops in the MAC, and that's no shortcoming, it can handle OSU...
Is this the same defense that gave up a total of 121 points to UC, Marshall and Michigan?

Funny those teams only managed a total of 48 points vs OSU. I think you should have just left it at "Miami's D is tops in the MAC" and we could have all just taken it fwiw.

I find no end to the irony involved in all these small schools fans crying about OSU arrogance and then making statements like Miami's D can handle OSU or making the assumption because we have the better players theirs are somehow automatically more motivated/posses more "heart".

You guys run Rudy out there, we'll put TG2 on the same field and take our chances.
 
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jwinslow said:
Here is what second tier looks like: Iowa, Georgia, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Cal, etc are examples of teams who have been in elite bowl games much more often... and got there by beating better opponents.
Both Miami Univ. and Texas Tech have appeared in the Sun, Independence, and Tangerine bowls. But those aren't "elite".

Texas Tech has been in the Cotton Bowl twice (1939 and 1995). Other than that they have been in the Gator Bowl 3 times, the nearby Sun Bowl 9 times, and the Holiday Bowl this past year. Other appearances include the All-American, Copper, Houston, and Galleryfurniture.com Bowls. I don't believe they qualify as appearing in "elite bowl games much more often".

I'm also very impressed by Texas Tech's non-conference games coming up this season: Florida International (new to 1A), Sam Houston State, and Indiana State (where Larry Bird never played on the football team).

Also, Cal hasn't played in an "elite" bowl since the 1959 Rose Bowl, and they have an overall winning percentage of .447 since 1960.

I don't think Cal or Texas Tech should have been included in your second tier. :biggrin:
 
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As for weak scheduling, Miami has beaten LSU in Death Valley, Florida in Gainesville, and Georgia, and South Carolina.
Miami schooled Northwestern in '95 when they won the Big Ten Championship. I suppose that's a third-tier school. I'd love to see Miami go out west and beat some MWC, WAC, and Pac-10 teams.

Just from my perspective, but it says a lot that there are 13 pages of discussion about Miami on here, and 14 on MHT. Tells you that there are quite a few people hyped about this game.

As for instate rivalries.... I'd love to see Miami play OSU every year. I doubt that will happen though. And it is true, Ohio State is the "Big Brother" in Ohio, but Ohio doesn't have a UofM and MSU. Or and IU, and Purdue, and Notre Dame.

Covering funding, I doubt Ohio State has experienced the gouges that the second-tier universities have experienced. I'm alittle bitter about the funding disparity. The GA needs to get it's act together, and fund higher education, or Ohio will experience a brain drain.
 
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CountryRedHawk said:
As for our team.... it's all heart. Size doesn't matter, it's how you use it. Our DL will be fine. (funny you should bring it up) Miami's D is tops in the MAC, and that's no shortcoming, it can handle OSU, and has in the past. (2000 score was 27-17? something on that order? Not too shabby for a "bad D") Miami has and will continue to surprise.... eventually you'll see a NC trophy displayed in Millett Hall, I dunno when, but sometime in the future.:slappy:

You sure talk alot of smack about a piss poor defense. You have good LB's, Nande is the real deal......and is a great athlete. Busing can also play ball. You don't have any good D tackles, plus they are way undersized (250 LBS, and 278 LBS)... ,so that will allow a middle run game, which if OSU establishes one...you might as well turn it over to Bob Ross re-runs. Marcus Johnson can play from the end standpoint. Mester is streaky, he is still young, but he had a couple of good games.......against weak offensive lines (Akron and Kent St.).

As for the secondary, you have a great athlete in Hunter.........but we'll see how he fares now that he is the man from a corner standpoint. Redd has no experience as a starter at the other corner spot. Card is very green at one safety spot......and Burke has experience.........but cannot match up with OSU's receivers. Hunter is the only true athlete you have in the secondary........and last time I checked he cannot cover Ginn, Holmes, Gonzalez, Hall, Lyons.....ect.

Somewhere there will be a huge mismatch in the secondary. When you factor this along with below average tackles............it will mean you probably will have to blitz a bit from a linebacker standpoint. If you blitz you then are forced into a man coverage situation.........which takes you back to the mismatches that I just mentioned. Athletically Nande, Johnson, and Hunter are your only boys.......You are overmatched......and it will show on September 3rd.

Spare me the "We will be a national champ" chat that is crazy talk.
 
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CountryRedHawk said:
As for weak scheduling, Miami has beaten LSU in Death Valley, Florida in Gainesville, and Georgia, and South Carolina.
I hate to tell you this, but no one cares if you beat LSU in 1972, Florida in 1983, and Georgia in 1964. I find it amazing that you guys think you're a top tier program just b/c you have a few arguably big wins or upsets in your 100 year history as a football team. Come and talk to me regarding being a big program when you consistently can beat upper tier teams, unlike last year when you were beaten by scUM, Iowa St., Toledo, Marshall, and UC (many of whom weren't even good teams last year). Oh yeah, for all the talk about beating LSU, let's not forget the 33-7 beat-down they handed you in 2002.
 
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Last time Miami beat LSU it was in 1986.

Miami beat Toledo once, and I am not sure OSU would have beaten Michigan a second time, given the chance to replay last year.

I can't defend Miami because, "no one cares." As for the NC, I'm sure people said that about OSU before they won one.
 
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CountryRedHawk said:
Last time Miami beat LSU it was in 1986.

Miami beat Toledo once, and I am not sure OSU would have beaten Michigan a second time, given the chance to replay last year.

I can't defend Miami because, "no one cares." As for the NC, I'm sure people said that about OSU before they won one.
Right. Did you even watch the game? It wasn't like they were even in the game most of the second half. We absolutely dominated them after their first two possessions.
 
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It's been a long while since I was over on MHT, but I can tell you HL, back then they were a more than a little upset that Ohio State fans were talking about Texas and not Miami, as if the Ohio State Texas game was not the biggest game of the non-conference schedule - possibly in DI and certainly among ourselves.

I love, by the way, "you're overlooking Miami" I'm a fan, I don't suit up and play. I can overlook whomever I want and it won't make one damn bit of difference.

Oh yeah, Country Red - welcome to the board. Glad you made it. I remember you from MHT as a reasonable dude. Proud of your school, perhaps a little misguided :biggrin: but I think you will do fine here.
 
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CountryRedHawk said:
As for weak scheduling, Miami has beaten LSU in Death Valley, Florida in Gainesville, and Georgia, and South Carolina.
Miami schooled Northwestern in '95 when they won the Big Ten Championship.
What is that, five wins in over 100 years? Change those wins to losses and your win percentage is still virtually the same. Point being you didn't make a living building your win percentage against teams of that caliber, you made it beating the kent's, akron's, ohio's, bowling green's, etc. In other words your a third tier program in a conference of mostly forth tier teams. Your strength of schedule is not even in the top 100 for all-time according to the college football data warehouse. Seriously, how can you really defend your winning percentage you know you played crappy teams to get it. Give OSU that schedule and they're in the .900's and #1 by a long shot. I'm still wondering if you guys actually think you're the 15th best program of all-time because of your win percentage?
CountryRedHawk said:
Just from my perspective, but it says a lot that there are 13 pages of discussion about Miami on here, and 14 on MHT. Tells you that there are quite a few people hyped about this game.
In other words roughly 1/16th of the posts dedicated to the Texas thread. Fact is OSU has millions of fans and many more posters on BP than there are at mht so there's going to be a lot of posts on almost any topic.
CountryRedHawk said:
I can't defend Miami because, "no one cares."
Goes without saying.
CountryRedHawk said:
As for the NC, I'm sure people said that about OSU before they won one.
You honestly think miami has a chance in hell of ever winning it all in football? You're even more delusional than I thought. The landscape of college football was a lot different pre-1942. The way it is now you have no shot unless you somehow get into a big conference. Which unless it's the Big East, nobody's going to take you. It's a pipe dream, and that's just the cold hard facts.
 
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CountryRedHawk said:
Last time Miami beat LSU it was in 1986.
As for the NC, I'm sure people said that about OSU before they won one.
Like I said, I find it funny that you keep referencing a game that was played 19 years ago. It sorta doesn't say much for your program that that's your claim to fame--one meaningless win (when I say meaningless, I mean relative to the college football landscape, not relative to those living in Oxford, Ohio, of course) 19 years ago.

As for your continuing NC comments, come on. If you seriously believe Miami has a shot at the NC, then you don't know much about college football.
 
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