Game Thread Game One: Ohio State 34, Miami of Ohio 14 (final)

[CountryRedHawk]

Wasn't so insignificant because it came against #6 ranked LSU.... I'd say that spoiled some NC dreams in Tiger Country. I cited five wins, do I serious have to list all of the wins Miami has had over 100+ years?

As for the comment I made about not being able to defend Miami, because no one cares, that was directed at the stated "fact" that no one cares about Miami wins. That simply isn't true. Many people care. In fact, BuckeyeBoy, you care enough to discuss it here, and tell me how meaningless it is.

As for a Miami NC, BYU won an NC. If Miami beat Ohio State this year(theoretically) and went undefeated, they'd probably play in a BCS bowl. I guess I don't know anything about college football, because I do believe that someday it is bound to happen. Miami would win an NC. I believe, so I am a fool. So be it then. :cheers:

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

As for weak scheduling, Miami has beaten LSU in Death Valley, Florida in Gainesville, and Georgia, and South Carolina.
Miami schooled Northwestern in '95 when they won the Big Ten Championship.

Before you start running your mouth about your mighty conquests, you might want to note that:

- While you beat a 9-3 LSU team 21-12 in 1986, they blasted you 35-7 and 33-7 the two other times you've played them (1990, 2002).

- You beat a 7-5 Florida team 16-7 in 1973 in the Tangerine Bowl.

- You beat a 6-6 Georgia team 21-10 in 1974 in the Tangerine Bowl.

- You're 3-2 against South Carolina all-time, with the last win coming in 1975, 20-7, in the--guess what--Tangerine Bowl.

- You "schooled" Northwestern by 2 whole points (30-28) in 1995.

You have one semi-impressive win in all your listed major triumphs. You're a second-tier program...always have been and always will be.

 

[scarletngrey11]

Miami does not get talent and develop talent like the big time programs. That will not change anytime soon. The MAC is a good conference, however it is not the Big 10 or Big 12 or SEC. For that reason they will not get media attention or a recruits attention over a big time program.

 

[cincibuck]

I've been off this thread for quite some time.

read the last post by Mili... whew. I wouldn't want to get in a pissing contest with him, but his post reflects what I fear. Yeah, Miami gets pasted. That's why they're invited to play Purdue, NW, LSU and a bowl for first level teams in a rebuilding year... but they consistently play tough. They out played OSU the last time we met in my humble opinion.

Cooper and Tressel teams have had these Mid-American conference games forced upon them by the legislature (keep the money in Ohio) and the Buckeyes haven't exactly demonstrated dominance... you can argue, "it's their big game." You can say, "We were saving it all for conference play." You can even go to, "Yeah, but what if they had to play Purdue and then Michigan State and then Minnesota?"

It still comes down to the fact that UC pushed the NC team to the final play of the game. We beat Marshall by a last second +40 yard field goal and we have looked absolutely flat throughout games against Bowling Green, Miami, OU and Toledo.
That's the point. MAC teams can beat Big 10 teams, even Michigan and OSU, if they catch them with their minds on the next game or the conference. It can happen and the football odds Gods predict that same day it will. I just hope it aint this year.

I might add that though they lack the ability to draw big crowds and "blue chippers" the MAC/UC teams that have played us recently have had better players at QB than we have had. That can make a terriffic difference in a David versus Goliath game.

If we are gonna knock teams for playing weak ass schedules throughout history.....I'll be the first to nominate penn state.

You've hit on a favorite theme of mine. PSU used to get ranked by running the house on Temple, Pitt, Rutgers, WVA and Syracuse. Then they came to the Big 10...

Smartest men on earth? The Miami AD who put them in the Big East.
The Florida State Ad who put them in the ACC...

Neither wanted anything to do with the SEC.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Cooper and Tressel teams have had these Mid-American conference games forced upon them by the legislature (keep the money in Ohio) and the Buckeyes haven't exactly demonstrated dominance... .

I'll steal a bit from the site preview coming up for this game to point out just how far off base you are with this comment.

Since OSU adopted the policy of playing an Ohio team every year the results are as follows:

1997-2004 OSU @ home vs Ohio teams
Record: 9 wins 0 losses
Total points: 324-119
Avg Score: 36-13
Largest MOV: 49 points
Smallest MOV: 7 (2003 vs BGSU)
OSU highest/lowest score: 51/24
Opponents highest/lowest: 20/0
Scored 50 or more: 1 time
Scored 40-49: 3 times
Scored 30-39: 1 time
Scored 20-29: 4 times
Scored less than 20: 0 times

Under JT
Record: 4-0
Total Score: 130-54
Avg score: 33-14

If that isn't domination I sure would like to know what is.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

cincibuck: My reply to CountryRedNeck was to dispel his chest-thumping of past Miami triumphs over big-name teams (then again, since when was South Carolina considered "big-name"). I am in no way suggesting we overlook Miami...I'll be the first to tell you that if we do we'll get beat. Miami, Akron, Cincinnati, Bowling Green, and Marshall have all played us tough over the last five years, but that's because we're their national championship game, and not because they're first-tier teams.

 

[zincfinger]

That's the point. MAC teams can beat Big 10 teams, even Michigan and OSU, if they catch them with their minds on the next game or the conference. It can happen and the football odds Gods predict that same day it will. I just hope it aint this year.

I don't think anyone disputes this point, cincibuck. Miami often fields a solid team, and they have a shot at knocking off OSU or any other team on any given day.

What people are disputing is what CountryRed seems to be insinuating: that Miami is, or is on the cusp of becoming, an elite program. Ain't the case and ain't gonna happen. The biggest indicator/consequence of this fact is shown in the answer to the following question: what H.S. football player, if offered a scholarship to OSU (or any other elite program) and Miami, would choose Miami? None would. That doesn't mean that Miami can't develop a few great players, and can't field some quality teams (they can and do). But it does draw a permanent distinction between a strong second-tier program, and a first-tier program.

edit: This brings to mind an interesting question. Can anyone document a case (preferably in the last half-century), in which a player had a scholly offer to Miami (OH) and to OSU, and chose Miami?

 

[cincibuck]

cincibuck: My reply to CountryRedNeck was to dispel his chest-thumping of past Miami triumphs over big-name teams (then again, since when was South Carolina considered "big-name"). I am in no way suggesting we overlook Miami...I'll be the first to tell you that if we do we'll get beat. Miami, Akron, Cincinnati, Bowling Green, and Marshall have all played us tough over the last five years, but that's because we're their national championship game, and not because they're first-tier teams.

A point well taken... I looked at CRNs remarks and didn't worry about what he had to say... other than to dispute BYU's NC claim... IMO No one who plays outside the Big 10, SEC, PAC 10 or Big 8, with the possible exception of Notre Dame should be considered elgible for NC. You have to play at that level of competition to be the NC.

Final thought: Easy on the South Carolina thing. Last time I looked we were 0 and 2 on them.

 

[gregorylee]

A point well taken... I looked at CRNs remarks and didn't worry about what he had to say... other than to dispute BYU's NC claim... IMO No one who plays outside the Big 10, SEC, PAC 10 or Big 8, with the possible exception of Notre Dame should be considered elgible for NC. You have to play at that level of competition to be the NC.

Final thought: Easy on the South Carolina thing. Last time I looked we were 0 and 2 on them.

Umm, the "Big 8"...

I think you left the southwestern conference out of there somewhere...

 

[Biased Miamian]

Good Lord! You folks are getting all worked up about a single poster letting his passion and emotions get the better of him. Do you really think there are a bunch of Miami fans who think we are one of the elite programs in college football? Come on!

These are message boards for God's sake. Sure, when you come onto our board before the beginning of what looks to be a promising season, you are going to find rampant optimism. I mean...how many Buckeye fans are even recognizing the possibility of a loss to Texas on your boards? Heck, nearly half of you voted that you'll go 12-0, and from the tone of what I've read, it seems that you guys only played a two game season last year.

Yes, we are proud of our school and our team, and we feel good about the direction we are going. We're disappointed with the way our season turned out last year, but there was much to be excited about, and we're very confident about the coming season.

We have a tradition of excellence, and that is something that can be measured in many ways. We're never going to out-recruit or out-spend the powerhouses, so it's kind of silly to try to measure our program's success in that manner. But given the disparity, it's quite remarkable how close we are. We can compete with anyone on a given day.

This year, we're coming in with one of our better teams. The problem for us is that you are too, and our chances of winning are remote. Most of you would put them at 4-5%. I'd say 20%, but my heart thinks they're even better than that—that's why I'm a fan. :)

Oh...and, Mililani, thanks for trashing the most impressive three year stretch in the history or our program. Those bowl wins may not seem sensational to you, but that's the best competition our 32-1-1 stretch could get us, and we won 'em all. Our one loss during that period was a 14-13 decision to Michigan State. On the road of course.

And in the interest of a bit of accuracy, the 30-28 squeaker against NW was in '95—the year they went 8-0 in the Big Ten. I know, I know. You didn't play them that year.

Since then, we beat them 28-3 in '98 and 44-14 in '03. "Schooled" seems fairly accurate to me.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Oh...and, Mililani, thanks for trashing the most impressive three year stretch in the history or our program. Those bowl wins may not seem sensational to you, but that's the best competition our 32-1-1 stretch could get us, and we won 'em all. Our one loss during that period was a 14-13 decision to Michigan State. On the road of course.

And in the interest of a bit of accuracy, the 30-28 squeaker against NW was in '95—the year they went 8-0 in the Big Ten. I know, I know. You didn't play them that year.

Since then, we beat them 28-3 in '98 and 44-14 in '03. "Schooled" seems fairly accurate to me.

First of all, seeing as this is an Ohio State board, I'll trash any program I feel like...comprende', compadre? Second, most of us aren't really impressed with a 3-year run that happened 30 years ago, especially since you didn't beat a solid big-name team the entire time (your 2 wins and a tie against Purdue were when they were 5-6, 4-6-1, and 4-7). Oh yeah, it was a 7-4 Michigan State team that beat you...maybe we'll give you a little bit of credit on that one. Third, when CountryRedNeck referred to "schooling" NW, he was referring to the 1995 game, not the 1999 (not 1998) or 2003 games. By the way, NW was 3-9 and 6-7 those years, so forgive us if we don't fall off our chairs in awe of those "schoolings". You were fortunate to have Ben Rothleisberger for 2003...he made your team.

Spin it anyway you want, but a couple of good seasons does not make you an upper-tier program.

 

[lvbuckeye]

Mili: FWIW, the Redhawks had the best O-line in Ohio in '03, which is why Tressel hired Peterson away from Miami... it wasn't just Big Ben...

 

[buckeyeboy]

You were fortunate to have Ben Rothleisberger for 2003...he made your team.

And let's not forget that even during their magical year w/Roethlisberger, they were schooled by Iowa, a team we easily defeated.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Good Lord! You folks are getting all worked up about a single poster letting his passion and emotions get the better of him. Do you really think there are a bunch of Miami fans who think we are one of the elite programs in college football? Come on!

These are message boards for God's sake. Sure, when you come onto our board before the beginning of what looks to be a promising season, you are going to find rampant optimism. I mean...how many Buckeye fans are even recognizing the possibility of a loss to Texas on your boards? Heck, nearly half of you voted that you'll go 12-0, and from the tone of what I've read, it seems that you guys only played a two game season last year.

Yes, we are proud of our school and our team, and we feel good about the direction we are going. We're disappointed with the way our season turned out last year, but there was much to be excited about, and we're very confident about the coming season.

We have a tradition of excellence, and that is something that can be measured in many ways. We're never going to out-recruit or out-spend the powerhouses, so it's kind of silly to try to measure our program's success in that manner. But given the disparity, it's quite remarkable how close we are. We can compete with anyone on a given day.

This year, we're coming in with one of our better teams. The problem for us is that you are too, and our chances of winning are remote. Most of you would put them at 4-5%. I'd say 20%, but my heart thinks they're even better than that—that's why I'm a fan. :)

Oh...and, Mililani, thanks for trashing the most impressive three year stretch in the history or our program. Those bowl wins may not seem sensational to you, but that's the best competition our 32-1-1 stretch could get us, and we won 'em all. Our one loss during that period was a 14-13 decision to Michigan State. On the road of course.

And in the interest of a bit of accuracy, the 30-28 squeaker against NW was in '95—the year they went 8-0 in the Big Ten. I know, I know. You didn't play them that year.

Since then, we beat them 28-3 in '98 and 44-14 in '03. "Schooled" seems fairly accurate to me.

who is getting worked up? Nice badge by the way

 

[osugrad21]

I love the sermons telling people how to act on a message board....