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Game Thread Game Five: Penn State 17, Ohio State 10 (Final)

And here's Penn State's defensive stats so far:

Central Florida (13 points)
Rushing: 36-97 yards (2.7 ypc)
Passing: 21-39-1, 200 yards
Total: 297 yards (75 plays, 4.0 ypp)

Cincinnati (24 points)
Rushing: 34-31 yards (0.9 ypc)
Passing: 29-49-2, 329 yards
Total: 360 yards (81 plays, 4.1 ypp)

Central Michigan (3 points)
Rushing: 39-14 yards (0.4 ypc)
Passing: 25-38-0, 158 yards
Total: 172 yards (85 plays, 2.0 ypp)

@Northwestern (29 points)
Rushing: 57-198 yards (3.5 ypc)
Passing: 20-38-1, 229 yards
Total: 427 yards (97 plays, 4.4 ypp)

Minnesota
Rushing: 32-113 yards (3.5 ypc)
Passing: 16-28-1, 174 yards
Total: 287 yards (61 plays, 4.7 ypp)

In all fairness to Penn State, 14 of Cincinnati's points came in the last 40 seconds of the game.

They've been excellent at shutting down the run, but have been somewhat suspect against the pass. The most yardage and points given up were against a mobile QB, so I would think we should see more of that this Saturday.

They are ranked #27 in total defense, #20 in rushing defense, #53 in pass defense, and #21 in scoring defense.
 
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Pretty good defensive stats for them. They've played some pretty good offenses too. They haven't played a team that I feel deserves to be Top 25 yet, but we haven't beaten one yet either. They deserve respect. They've won their games, some in impressive fashon. They obviously have a defense. I just can't see either team winning by more than 14 in this game. (But I couldn't see that against Iowa either)
 
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Minnesota is the only team with an OL tho. Mid-majors with great offenses struggle when they are outmatched in the trenches. I don't know the numbers, but I would feel confident betting that CF, Cinci, C Mich, Northwestern don't have very dominating lines.
 
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Here's are some offensive stats from Penn State's five games:

Central Michigan (W 23-13) (led halftime 26-3)

Mili, looks like there was a lack of updating the final score from a Central (s/ be South) Florida cut/paste job here. It was a 40-3 final, since PSU didn't score -3 points in the second half. :biggrin:

Hey, be happy that somebody's reading your stuff so closely. :wink2:
 
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How we rank in NCAA statistics:

OFFENSE:
Rushing #27 (191.0 ypg)
Passing #86 (194.5 ypg)
Total #60 (385.5 ypg)
Scoring #53 (28.5 ppg)

DEFENSE:
Rushing #1 (41.0 ypg) also #1 in yard per attempt (1.56)...no one else is close
Passing #T44 (208.0 ypg)
Total #5 (249.0 ypg)
Scoring #11 (12.25 ppg) *

*For some reason the NCAA counts the safety Texas scored as scored against us as being against the defense (they say our defense has given up 51 points, when in reality they've only given up 49). The NCAA lists us as #T12 with 12.8 ppg. My stat above is adjusted without the safety.

Note the unreal balance beween rushing and passing yardage.
 
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How we rank in NCAA statistics:

DEFENSE:
Rushing #1 (41.0 ypg) also #1 in yard per attempt (1.56)...no one else is close

Pretty obscure stat, but I wonder who was the last team to be number 1 in rushing defense after already facing the team ranked #1 in rushing offense. Texas is #1 with an average of 310 yards rushing right now.
 
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Preview from the OZone...

Ohio State vs. Penn State
By Tony Gerdeman

So many trends, so little time. Let's take a quick look at some of the numbers that won't have any bearing on this week's game:
This will be the twenty-first meeting between Ohio State and Penn State, with each team having ten wins in the series.
The home team has won ten of twelve in this series since 1993.
Of the eight night games ever played in Happy Valley, Penn State has won only four.
This is the first ever night game between the two schools, so there is no trend there.
Penn State's seven consecutive wins gives them the third longest active winning streak in Division I-A behind USC (26) and Texas (11). I'm assuming Ohio State's active winning streak of two games ranks them in a tie for eighth with probably thirty-seven other teams.
For his career, head coach Jim Tressel is 10-6 on the road in the Big Ten. If we don't count Indiana as a Big Ten team, he's 8-6. Also, continuing on the "not-counting Indiana" kick, the only time the Buckeyes have won their conference road opener under Jim Tressel was 2002 at Northwestern. In 2001, they won at Indiana, but lost their real opener at Penn State. In 2003, they lost at Wisconsin. In 2004, they lost at Northwestern.
Seems kind of bleak, no?
Not to fear, the higher-ranked team has won this game fourteen straight times. The last time the higher-ranked team did not win this game was 1964-two years before Joe Paterno's first game as head coach.
When Penn State Has The Ball
Expect very similar formations to what the Buckeyes run on offense, but with some different aspects of attack.
The key to the Penn State offense is quarterback Michael Robinson. There are times when he is about as accurate as a forty-year old Farmer's Almanac, and then there are times when he does whatever is needed to keep the ball moving.
A lot of what Penn State runs, the Buckeyes have already seen from the likes of Texas. The biggest difference in schemes from the two offenses, however, is that Penn State uses their wide receivers the vast majority of the time.
Robinson's job is to get the ball to the receivers quickly and let them create. It's a similar line of thinking when Robinson throws deep, because he allows his receivers to make the play on the ball while it is in the air.
As far as Michael Robinson's mid-range game is concerned, the concern is actually Penn State's. There are times when he makes throws that you will be unable to determine who the intended receiver was. There were instances in the Minnesota game when he would throw the ball and there would be no discernable receiver even available-which is why he didn't throw any interceptions last week, even though he was 13-32 passing.
Against Minnesota, freshman receiver Derrick Williams lined up everywhere on offense except for the line and fullback. He was out wide, he was in the slot, he dotted the I, and he was at quarterback. Penn State uses Williams like everybody thought Ohio State would use Ted Ginn Jr.
There are three keys to stopping Williams. The first is to not let him get matched up with a linebacker. The second is to tackle him when he catches the ball in the zone. The third is to keep pounding on him. If he gets a carry out of the backfield, don't let him run out of bounds. Force him back inside and get eight or nine guys piling on top of him. By the fourth quarter, maybe he'll be a little less aggressive.
Williams gets most of the pub, but redshirt freshman Deon Butler is getting the majority of the touchdown catches. He has a touchdown catch in three consecutive games. Justin King is the other freshman playmaker to be concerned with. He will play receiver but probably get more carries than catches. He'll also play cornerback quite a bit.
When Nate Salley is not supporting the run, he must stay back on defense, because Penn State will go deep at least five or six times per game. The Nittany Lions feel that they will either get a fifteen-yard pass interference call, a big completion, or an incompletion.
The cornerbacks for Ohio State can't get lulled into complacency against these receivers. There will be times when Robinson will break containment and be running for his life. He'll be looking deep, and it will be up to the defensive backs to stay with their assignments and let the linebackers get to Robinson.
The Ohio State defense has to hit Michael Robinson every time he holds the ball for more than four seconds-be it a pass or a run. Bobby Carpenter and Mike Kudla need to come off the edge and dislocate the ball from Robinson's grasp, or at least make him a little nervous back there. If they force Robinson to throw before he's ready, his lackluster completion percentage will lack what little luster it had ever mustered.
Penn State has a senior-laden offensive line, which affords them the luxury of running out of various formations in various situations. They can (and will) run quarterback draws and options out of every single formation they show.
We've talked about all of this running that Penn State will do, and we haven't even mentioned their running back, Tony Hunt. Hunt's big (6'2" 224 lbs) with nice moves and good power. He's especially tough when he has some momentum and he doesn't really lose speed when making a move.
The Buckeye defense matches up almost perfectly with this offense, however. The defensive line is an occupying force, the linebackers have the speed to stay with everything in front of them, and the defensive backs have the physicality to make the freshmen receivers think twice about reaching for that next errant pass.
One last thing, A.J. Hawk needs seven tackles to move in to Ohio State's Top 10 in career tackles. He'll have that in the third quarter.
As far as the kicking game goes for the Lions, they are starting a true freshman place-kicker in Kevin Kelly. He is 8-10 on field goal attempts and 21-22 on PATs. His long for the year is 47 yards.
Returning kickoffs for Penn State will be Williams and King. It is only a matter of time before one of them scores via the kickoff. It remains to be seen, however, if either will even get a chance at a return with Josh Huston kicking into the end zone nearly every time.
When Ohio State Has The Ball
Buckeye quarterback Troy Smith seems to be settling into this offense like it's a sectional sofa and he's the only one in the basement. The improvements that he made from the Texas game to the San Diego State game, and from the San Diego State game to the Iowa game has to make you wonder what he has in store this week.
In the two games that Troy Smith has started, he is averaging 170 yards passing and 107 yards rushing. If he can get another 100 yards rushing this week, that could be enough to secure the victory-unless, of course, he mixes in another four fumble game.
Two weeks ago, Ohio State came out in the I formation and started running on Iowa from the outset. Don't be surprised to see them try the same thing against Penn State. And why not, their confidence in the offensive line probably hasn't been this high since 2002. The Buckeyes will want to see right away what they're up against. Plus, it will be a prime opportunity to finally unleash a long play-action pass.
If the offensive line can give Troy Smith the time to pick and choose like they did against Iowa, Penn State could be in for a long day. Fortunately for Penn State, they are not Iowa. They have a quick and experienced defensive line that shut down Minnesota and Laurence Maroney. In fact, Minnesota only managed 53 yards rushing in the first three quarters of the game last Saturday.
Their defense will be keyed on Troy Smith's running and they need to hit him every chance they get, because each time Smith carries it, he's picking up six or seven yards. Penn State can't win if Ohio State is facing second and three all night.
When Smith gets the ball to his receivers, the key defender to watch will be senior cornerback Alan Zemaitis. He's arguably the best corner in the conference. He's a big defender (6'2" 196 lbs) with enough speed to stay with most receivers.
Look for Tony Gonzalez and Santonio Holmes to pull the switcheroo and perhaps free some things up for Ted Ginn in this game. New things have been added on offense this week, and if you're going to add new things, why not add them for Teddy Ginn. For example, letting Ginn get a couple of snaps at quarterback will take some of the carries off of Troy Smith's legs and shoulders and keep him fresher towards the end of the game.
Don't be surprised if you see some misdirections and end arounds, as these types of plays have been effective against Penn State this year.
Everybody is talking about how Penn State shut down the #1 rushing team in the country in Minnesota last week. What they're not talking about is that this same Penn State defense gave up 198 yards rushing to Northwestern. Ohio State's offense resembles Northwestern's offense much more than it does Minnesota's.
Antonio Pittman may not reach 100 yards rushing, but he sure will get the opportunity. He is coming into this game expecting 30 carries. If he gets 30 carries, Ohio State will win. (Though the same could be said for Tony Hunt as well.)
Penn State has fast, smart and experienced linebackers. Their leading tackler is Paul Posluszny, and look for him to be involved in about 18 tackles Saturday night. He's exactly what you would expect from a Penn State linebacker-except he doesn't violate punters.
The Buckeyes are going to have opportunities to make plays on special teams. Penn State's kicker, Kevin Kelly, doesn't reach the end zone on kickoffs with any regularity. Holmes and Ginn are going to get some chances, and with the success that Minnesota had, Joe Paterno has to be concerned. In fact, don't be surprised if you see more pooch kicks from Penn State than deep kicks.
Buckeye place-kicker Josh Huston looks like he may be on his way to getting invited to the Lou Groza Award banquet, and another stellar game from him Saturday wouldn't hurt his shot at the free trip.
How It'll End Up
The Ohio State defense won't really allow Penn State to run the ball. It will be up to Michael Robinson to make accurate throws to his receivers. If he does, or doesn't, the Buckeye defenders can't keep drives alive with penalties. The young receivers may be fun to muscle around, but don't do it when the ball is in the air.
Troy Smith will knock back another 85 yards or so and Antonio Pittman will continue to establish himself as one of the best backs in the conference.
Jim Tressel's style will keep this game close, so it will be up to Ohio State to kill any momentum that Penn State gets from their big plays.
Earlier in the week, it was looking like the game would come down to the last play. But with the confidence the Buckeyes are showing this week, they must know something.
Ohio State 27 - Penn State 16
 
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Let's do a little breakdown....

PSU's linebackers were far more highly recruited than Ohio State's....it's beginning to show....so was their D-line. Michael Robinson was the #1 recruited QB in the nation when he came out of high school....he's getting better with each game. Derrick Williams, D-will, D-wheels whatever you want to call him, is flat out unstoppable...trust me him, Deon Butler and JKing can't wait to torch OSU's secondary. Did Santanio Holmes say he and his buddies were going to bring Penn State's secondary back to reality??? Oh ok, kind of like last year when they shut down the OSU receivers, huh. Well, the Nittany Lions have something new this year--an explosive offense...we'll see about all that Columbus trash talk after Saturday night.
 
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Best LB's

Who has the best LBs, PSU or OSU?
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[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>By Sam Ross Jr.
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Thursday, October 6, 2005

The linebackers are the crown jewels of the Penn State and Ohio State defenses, each set eager to outshine the other when their teams share the Beaver Stadium field Saturday night.
"You always try to outplay them, and I'm sure they're thinking the same thing," Buckeyes middle linebacker Anthony Schlegel said Wednesday. "I remember last year watching them a little bit when we were off the field. They are playmakers, and they fly to the ball. That's what stands out. That's what other linebackers look at. They've got a lot of good guys, and that's what Penn State has been known for."
The best of the current Lions linebackers is Paul Posluszny, the junior outside man who was honored for the second consecutive week as the outstanding Big Ten Conference defensive player. Posluszny also won the weekly Walter Camp national award for his play against Minnesota, making nine tackles, two of them for losses. A week earlier, he had 22 total tackles against Northwestern.
Posluszny respects the group of linebackers the Buckeyes have assembled, led by returning All-American senior A.J. Hawk, who also had been Big Ten defensive player of the week earlier this season.
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"They've got great players, (an) All-American. Guys who are all-everything football players," Posluszny said. "You can't take anything away from them. They make a lot of plays defensively, so they've got to be up there as one of the best units."
Ohio State's defense, led by those linebackers, is fifth nationally against the rush, allowing 41 yards a game, and fifth in total defense, surrendering 249 yards. Hawk is fifth in the Big Ten, averaging 10 tackles a game.
Penn State's defense, which had its strongest showing to date last week against Minnesota, is 20th against the rush (90.6 yards) and 27th in overall defense (308.6). Posluszny is third in the Big Ten at 11.4 tackles a game.
Joining Hawk and Schlegel in the Ohio State starting group is Bobby Carpenter. Starters besides Posluszny for Penn State are Tim Shaw at the other outside post and Tyrell Sales inside. Dan Connor has played extensively in recent weeks after returning from a disciplinary suspension.
There's little to chose between the two groups.
"I think they're similar from the standpoint they're both sets of linebackers who are very physical, both sets play extremely hard and make plays," Ohio State coach Jim Tressel said. "Obviously, both sets of them diagnose what you're trying to do offensively very well, and they're fast learners."
"The Ohio State guys deserve everything they get in terms of publicity," Penn State defensive coordinator Tom Bradley said. "They're certainly a group you want to emulate.
"A.J Hawk, he's in another world. He's excellent and plays football the way it's meant to be played, all-out, all the time. I think Paul's time (for All-America recognition) will come when it's right."
So, which group is better? "Obviously, I have a little bit more bias to the Penn State linebackers," Lions quarterback Michael Robinson said. "I think they're the best thing since sliced bread.
 
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PSU's linebackers were far more highly recruited than Ohio State's....it's beginning to show....so was their D-line. Michael Robinson was the #1 recruited QB in the nation when he came out of high school....he's getting better with each game. Derrick Williams, D-will, D-wheels whatever you want to call him, is flat out unstoppable...trust me him, Deon Butler and JKing can't wait to torch OSU's secondary. Did Santanio Holmes say he and his buddies were going to bring Penn State's secondary back to reality??? Oh ok, kind of like last year when they shut down the OSU receivers, huh. Well, the Nittany Lions have something new this year--an explosive offense...we'll see about all that Columbus trash talk after Saturday night.

You stupid fuck. PSU's LBs more highly-recruited? D'Andrea (hurt) was the consensus #1 LB in high school for the 2002 recruiting class. Carpenter was in the top 20, and Hawk was #30 or #31 IIRC. Plus we got a huge bonus in Schlegel, who was all-conference MLB and team captain as a sophomore at Air Force. We have four LBs that would start for any other team in the country. Most people haven't even fucking heard of your LBs. Many haven't even heard of any of your defensive linemen either, while Mike Kudla is now a household name...you DL surely weren't more "highly recruited" than ours.

Williams is "unstoppable"? He isn't even in the top 100 receivers in the country in the three WR categories (receptions per game, receiving yardage per game, total receiving yards)...not in the top fucking 100! As for your secondary "shutting down" our WRs last year, the only reason why we threw the ball only eight times all game was because your offense was such a fucking disaster that we knew that once we scored we could go into "clock-killing" mode, even from the first quarter.

Your offense hasn't faced anything resembling a defense yet. Iowa was supposed to blow us away like they did last year at their place, but they ended up getting the worst ass-beating that any of their seniors have had at Iowa. Penn State will be lucky to even sniff the fucking end zone. You know how many TDs Penn State's offense has scored against us over the last three games? Three. You offense is averaging nine points a game against us. Keep thinking you have a chance.
 
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You stupid fuck. PSU's LBs more highly-recruited? D'Andrea (hurt) was the consensus #1 LB in high school for the 2002 recruiting class. Carpenter was in the top 20, and Hawk was #30 or #31 IIRC. Plus we got a huge bonus in Schlegel, who was all-conference MLB and team captain as a sophomore at Air Force. We have four LBs that would start for any other team in the country. Most people haven't even fucking heard of your LBs. Many haven't even heard of any of your defensive linemen either, while Mike Kudla is now a household name...you DL surely weren't more "highly recruited" than ours.

Williams is "unstoppable"? He isn't even in the top 100 receivers in the country in the three WR categories (receptions per game, receiving yardage per game, total receiving yards)...not in the top fucking 100! As for your secondary "shutting down" our WRs last year, the only reason why we threw the ball only eight times all game was because your offense was such a fucking disaster that we knew that once we scored we could go into "clock-killing" mode, even from the first quarter.

Your offense hasn't faced anything resembling a defense yet. Iowa was supposed to blow us away like they did last year at their place, but they ended up getting the worst ass-beating that any of their seniors have had at Iowa. Penn State will be lucky to even sniff the fucking end zone. You know how many TDs Penn State's offense has scored against us over the last three games? Three. You offense is averaging nine points a game against us. Keep thinking you have a chance.

Mmmmm

Yeaaaahh

Do dat dance, uh, do dat dance.
 
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As usual, in an important Big 10 matchup, turnovers and field postion will be critical. I have a hard time seeing PSU sustaining long drives against the Bucks D. Now, if we turn it over and give them a short field, everything changes. Gotta like the the Bucks in the kicking game with Huston and Trapasso as well. PSU has a lot going for them, but senior leadership, tough defense, and probably a bunch of field goals, should pull us through. Special thanks to the PSU fans who have stopped by to "enlighten" us.
 
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