FS Bo 'Beaux' Pelini (DC LSU Tigers)

[brutus2002]

Your the one bashing Dantonio JWINS...you give the analysis...I've already stated I don't know more than Tress, Bo, or Mark...obviously you do because your calling his first class mediocre after he took a team that was in shambles over that was driven into the dirt by "I slap myself" John L. I'm not wasting my time on people on boards that act like they know more than coaches that have won NC's as a head coach or assistant. I would like to know what qualifies you as someone who knows more than them???

 

[jwinslow]

Actually I'm critiquing his first class, all you're doing is bashing me with cliches and ZERO substance or analysis on your own. I never claimed to be brighter than them, not even close. But I can still have an opinion on their class, and he can be a brilliant scout & evaluator and still whiff in his first year. He certainly deserves more time to right the ship, as he's doing this year.

I'm guessing your "coaches > brutus2002" debate copout will disappear quite quickly when another TSUN recruit loss/story pops up.

If you refuse to give any analysis or opinion of your own, then there's no debate here. Just "you suck, coaches rule" smack talk.

 

[stxbuck]

After reading Meat Market, and having heard many tales of his recruiting prowess, I'd be curious to see where they'd be with Coach O.

I read Meat Market, and, to be quite honest, was not very impressed w/ Coach O as a recruiter. Aside from the DT from Atlanta that Ogeron could could speak French Ebonics aka Cajun to, Ole Miss didn't sign any bigtime recruits and were out recruited in state by Croom and Co. at Mississippi State. I don't think Ogeron's schtick would play well in Nebraska-if you think people in W. Ohio are conservative/family oriented,etc., you haven't seen anything until you go out to Nebraska.
BTW, Dayton Buck wins the Nebraska argument,IMO.......

 

[JCOSU86]

I have always looked for Nebraska to fall into mediocrity and then find it hard to get back up. They are a school in a state without a viable home-base with which to recruit. Even if OSU had 4-5 years of terrible records in a row, they would still get a good amount of OH talent because we are the state school. Nebraska doesn't have that. They are 100% dependent on OOS recruiting. And without the "in" into certain states (Oklahoma with Texas, for instance) they are in a precarious position.

 

[Magua]

Your the one bashing Dantonio JWINS...you give the analysis...I've already stated I don't know more than Tress, Bo, or Mark...obviously you do because your calling his first class mediocre after he took a team that was in shambles over that was driven into the dirt by "I slap myself" John L. I'm not wasting my time on people on boards that act like they know more than coaches that have won NC's as a head coach or assistant. I would like to know what qualifies you as someone who knows more than them???

Are you [censored]ing delusional dude?

Where are you getting any of this "I know more than Tress, Pelini, etc stuff?"

I can guarantee you that if you were to ask Pelini or D'Antonio on their respective recruiting classes in their first season behind closed doors they would say "I like the group of guys we got..yada yada yada...but I think maybe we could have brought in a few different/better guys that would raise the overall talent level of the class"

For every AJ Hawk or James Laurinaitis in the recruiting game, there are a hundred 2-3star players that turn out to be...well...what do you know...2-3star type players.

Lets also be realistic here people. Some of the guys we bring in as 3star players have the benefit of playing with some amazing talent, under the guidance of amazing coaches at some amazing facilities.

Do any of you honestly believe James Laurinaitis would have won the Nagurski and Butkus at Holy Mary Mother of the Blind and Poor? I sure as hell hope not.

You are seriously jumping all over someone/people for voicing their opinion on a msg board for stating that in their opinion Nebraska's recruiting class has been mediocre. Who are you to say they're wrong? Are you an expert? Do you know more than the guys at scout, rivals, espn, etc...(okay well espn maybe but anyways).

 

[Brutus1]

So which guys do you feel are poorly ranked? All of them?

Or another way of asking, which guys do you feel are impact players in that list?
That's not an accomplishment.Both still have to prove they can bring in impact talent. Dantonio had a woeful first year in recruiting, and this year capitalized primarily on the coaching transition. Both have tough sells, but that's why the positions opened up.

Dantonio may have a great eye for talent and the ability to develop it, but the kids he brought in his first year were pretty mediocre.

So who were the players that weren't mediocre? Don't give me cliches, give me analysis. Fred Smith was an excellent steal from TSUN, and Adams will make waves, but overall the class was pretty weak.

I expected Dantonio to swoop in and get some of the 2nd/3rd tier leftovers in Ohio. Guys like Staples and others. Outside of Adams, he came up empty.

Contrast that with this year, where he's doing a fine job getting those kids (Klatt, White, Caper) in addition to the superstars (which are a tough sell at MSU).
So basically you're not going to give me any eval of your own. Splendid.

Actually I'm critiquing his first class, all you're doing is bashing me with cliches and ZERO substance or analysis on your own. I never claimed to be brighter than them, not even close. But I can still have an opinion on their class, and he can be a brilliant scout & evaluator and still whiff in his first year. He certainly deserves more time to right the ship, as he's doing this year.

I'm guessing your "coaches > brutus2002" debate copout will disappear quite quickly when another TSUN recruit loss/story pops up.

If you refuse to give any analysis or opinion of your own, then there's no debate here. Just "you suck, coaches rule" smack talk.

How are you critiquing his first class when you only mention "Dantonio had a woeful first year in recruiting" and only mention 2 players from the class? Is that the CliffsNotes version of critiquing?

 

[Brutus1]

Are you [censored]ing delusional dude?


You are seriously jumping all over someone/people for voicing their opinion on a msg board for stating that in their opinion Nebraska's recruiting class has been mediocre. Who are you to say they're wrong? Are you an expert? Do you know more than the guys at scout, rivals, espn, etc...(okay well espn maybe but anyways).

Pot meet kettle.

 

[jwinslow]

Is that the CliffsNotes version of critiquing?

Is thie the cliffnotes version of being difficult? Or are you actually interested in debating MSU's class?

 

[jwinslow]

Woeful was probably too strong of a word. It wasn't a terrible year, I just felt he let a lot of kids get away that were within his grasp. It's a very tough sell taking over Sparty (after Slappy), but that's why he gets paid big bucks.

LB was a huge need for the 08 class. Gardiner was a nice pull, but they really wanted Staples, Hill, Witherspoon, and others and came up as bridesmaids with all. Jahmiir is a product of the TWood hype, not sold on him. They settled on David Rolf to fill out the LB position. Gardiner is a nice pickup, but the others leave room to be desired.

MSU needs a ton of help up front. Jerel Worthy is a nice sleeper pickup, but across the board the DL talent was mediocre for a team which needs help immediately. Perhaps it was too hard of a sell at MSU that early in his tenure (which is why he deserves time), but evaluating the talent, it was not very good imo.

RB was another position which needed to be built for the upcoming turnover. Caulcrick headed for the NFL as these kids began to enroll, and Ringer was entering his final season. Not much to get excited about here. He did an excellent job in '09 snatching very good RB talent, but the '08 class came up very short in my opinion.

WR was one of his better positions, and deserves credit. Fred Smith was snatched away from Michigan, and Johnny Adams is a playmaker with the ball in his hands, including the return game. Keshawn Martin is another explosive player. These three should help to plug the holes left by Thomas/Davis in the passing game.

The more I look at their class, it was a solid effort under the circumstances, but there was potential to reach a lot higher with Staples, Hill, Woods, Perry, Gray, Pannell, Rippy and others. That was more of the foundation of my comments, that a lot slipped just out of grasp which I had hoped Dantonio would land. Nebraska was snatching the kids I thought Dantonio could land (of course their implosion blew that recruiting up).

 

[Magua]

Pot meet kettle.

I'm not blasting him for voicing his opinion. I'm blasting him because of the context and manner in which he disagrees with various posters including myself. He sounds like an 6 year old crying because another kid said power rangers is better than [insert kids action show here]. Anyone can voice their opinion, and I will accept that and whatever. But to start calling others out for voicing their opinion when they've actually provided analysis and facts to back up their opinion in a logical manner...you lose ground. Especially when said poster himself provided nothing except the "cliche" trust the coaches! that we've all come to know and love so much.

Either way its all moot. Some here might think the Huskers have a great recruiting class. Others here might think its mediocre. I guess only time will tell in the next couple years. Though I'd trust the A.D on this one(read previously posted article from Os).

 

[Muck]

Or are you actually interested in debating MSU's class?

In the Nebraska thread? No not really.

 

[DaytonBuck]

I have always looked for Nebraska to fall into mediocrity and then find it hard to get back up. They are a school in a state without a viable home-base with which to recruit. Even if OSU had 4-5 years of terrible records in a row, they would still get a good amount of OH talent because we are the state school. Nebraska doesn't have that. They are 100% dependent on OOS recruiting. And without the "in" into certain states (Oklahoma with Texas, for instance) they are in a precarious position.

I agree but they used to have a nice base in Kansas, Missouri, Iowa and the other great plains states that surrounded them. Nebraska built those areas into a nice base for OOS recruiting. Nebraska used to be able to hold onto their in state guys like Harland Gunn that went to Miami and Trevor Robinson who went with the Domers. I think that the great plains area used to in effect be like in state recruiting for them.

 

[DaveyBoy]

I see Nebraska's situation as not hopeless, but a hell of a lot more difficult than their fans would want to admit. When they jettisoned Solich they lost their touch with the Osborne era. And when the smoke cleared, they found out that (to my surprise as well) Tom Osborne WAS the Nebraska program the past 30 years. With Osborne back now, he may have to go along with Pelini on recruiting trips to re-establish ties with some high school coaches who grew up watching Nebraska brutalize the Big 8.

The problem, as many mentioned, is that Nebraska has such a small core base to work from...there is almost no talent in their area. And now that Missouri and Kansas both have woken up to the fact that college football excellence (or at least moderate success) is actually fun and good for the university...don't look for those programs to slide back to where they were in the mid '90s and before. Hell, I've never understood why MIssouri was so blah in CFB with all the population/talent they had combined with the fact that BB wasn't exactly dominant there like it was at KU. Mizzou's build-up, I believe, will be the single biggest obstacle for Nebraska.

Looking back at it....trying to be objective....Osborne always had 10-1, 11-2 records for like 25 out of 30 years. He usually failed in the bowl games as the Big8 was exposed as truly a Big 2 + little 6. Osborne finally broke through and won big bowl games and national titles once he started recruiting questionable character kids. It turns out that the system Osborne had built was so awesome that all he needed was a few stars sprinkled in then suddenly his teams were damn near unbeatable. In my opinion, that will become the formula for 10+ wins type of success for Pelini.

Unfortunately, that won't be so easy this time around. Competing schools have woken up to the fact that they need to either keep up with the big dogs better or give up on FB altogether....like KSU, KU, MIzzou, and even Iowa State. Osborne never had to contend with even mediocre competition from those schools.

 

[JCOSU86]

I agree but they used to have a nice base in Kansas, Missouri, Iowa and the other great plains states that surrounded them. Nebraska built those areas into a nice base for OOS recruiting. Nebraska used to be able to hold onto their in state guys like Harland Gunn that went to Miami and Trevor Robinson who went with the Domers. I think that the great plains area used to in effect be like in state recruiting for them.

True. They tended to get all the great players from those plains states. But a lot of their great talent was from NJ, CA and other states far away. They had to fight the OSUs, PSUs and others of the world for those players, but with a winning program to back it up. They don't have that now and are experiencing some tough sledding. Another point I think is important in the decline of Nebraska's fortunes is the rise of Kansas, Kansas State and (last year anyway) Missouri.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

A big factor in Nebraska's demise is the slide of their walk-on program.

A big reason for that is that everyone has a great s&c program now. They were the first with a 20,000 ft.[sup]2[/sup] weight room, but now all the major programs have at least that. They used to be great because they were bigger and stronger than everyone. They aren't anymore and never will be again.