Florida or scUM

[WaitingforKickoff]

So your snubbing a team based on the fact they lost their defacto conference champion to the only undefeated team in the country?

Yes. It's not snubbing. It's called playing football...on the field...and determining a winner...maybe that's too much in one day for you to handle....

And Florida did play a much tougher schedule. So don't give me those if's.

 

[Buckin' A]

I always thought a playoff involving the top six BCS teams would work great....

Top six BCS teams with #1 and #2 getting byes

My eeact thought. The regular season would still be meaningfull b/c you'd have to be in the top six to even get in the play-offs. That would leave a plenty of bowls to still make the money.

 

[HailToMichigan]

Here's a quick point to consider - not because I want a rematch, but because I think this needs clarification. The idea of a rematch by itself doesn't crap all over the regular season - only because there is now a deserving team that can put up a solid argument for the title game. Had Florida lost, not rematching would have been the scenario that rendered the regular season meaningless - because then, you lose twice, you still make it, and how is that fair? Of course, the SEC would then scream bloody murder that they're penalized for having a championship game, but that's their problem; they were the ones who wanted the $$$ from the game in the first place. So, it's not that the BCS is troublesome because it could potentially provide a rematch. It's that we basically now have #1, #2A, and #2B.

And rationalizing that Florida lost on the road in a game that came down to a couple of plays really doesn't help Florida. First of all, so did Michigan. Second, Arkansas went to the same stadium, played the same team, and wiped the field with them. Florida should have won that game if they want to be considered the clear-cut choice to oppose Ohio State. It's not the BCS's fault that Florida doesn't have a rock-solid case for playing in the game.

 

[bucknut11]

It's not the BCS's fault that Florida doesn't have a rock-solid case for playing in the game.

Neither does tsun. That's the problem...

 

[BearBuck27]

Neither does tsun. That's the problem...

Exactly!

 

[HailToMichigan]

Neither does tsun. That's the problem...

Don't mean to imply that we do. That's why I don't want the rematch - if we win, all corners of the country would consider it a disputed, possibly split, championship. At best. The consolation would be getting to carry off that crystal ball and knowing that at least the record books would say Michigan. But................................

 

[osugrad21]

My logic tells me it has to be Florida based on the conference championship, shot at tOSU, SOS, etc.

However, I'd love to see Michigan get it to hopefully stick a dagger in the heart of the BCS and get us a playoff.

 

[kinch]

I am for playing Florida for reasons that have already been stated well by others in this thread.

One additional consideration which influences my preference for Florida is that should we play Michigan, and should the apparent weakness of much of the Big Ten play out as such in the bowl games, it will be hard to factually argue against the hordes of doubters who will say that the only test of MNC was the Big Ten, and the Big Ten stunk it up against everyone else in the bowls.

I want no whiners from the rest of the conferences. We knock off Florida and the only possible whiner will be Boise State. :)

 

[buckeyegrad]

OK, let us say that indeed the pollsters are basing their opinions of who is #2 on some sort of flawed internal value system. (Which an entirely reasonable proposition). Have they not been doing that for #1 through #25 all season?

Of course the entire polling system is subjective, that is my point. It was a dumb way to crown a national champion prior to 1998 and is a dumb way to determine who should get to play in a national championship game. Unfortunately, since we don't have don't have a playoff system, we are stuck with this flawed system. At least setting some more standards would help reign in the subjectivity.

Demand that only a Conference Champion gain entree to to the Championship game and you can set up a scenario under which a desirable re-match of opponents, from the same conference, is disallowed. Not claiming that this in play fully this year, but, would that not itself be a flaw in your hypothetically improved BCS system?

There is no desirable rematch in my opinion, regardless of whatever scenario you can dream up. If you can't win your own conference, you have no right to play for the national title.

 

[buckeyegrad]

I can't understand calling his logic flawed, by your views if i'm understanding it correctly, we should be playing Boise State in the championship since we can't be sure they arn't better then Michigan or Florida since they have not played each other this season?

Is Boise State in a BCS conference? No.

Next

 

[tibor75]

ESPN also interviewed LLLLoyd and Urban. Have to say the LLLLoyd was much more classy in his responses and refused to "campaign" simply saying Florida also deserved a chance and hoped that voters would not penalize scUM for not playing the last 2 weeks. Urban was a little more of a weenie and basically said scUM had their shot and that he favors a playoff.

LLLLLoyd's position is much harder to argue though.

"We deserve a chance!"

"You already had one"

"Well, we wnat another"

 

[BuckWrestler141]

BuckeyeGrad, I just want to know your answer on:
If Arkansas won the game yesterday, who would you have Ohio State playing for the title?

Edit: Also I'm finished argueing aside from that question, as i'm clearly outnumbered. I do find it entertaining though, that I want to play scum, and the "rest of illinois" agree's with me on that. I guess it just depends on where you live.

 

[buckeyegrad]

If the AP puts Florida at #2 they are screwing Michigan, plain and simple. Conference champs doesn't mean shit with the BCS. Look at OU and NU. OU getting pounded by KSU by 28 didn't keep them out of the title game. Why should Michigan's loss keep them out of this one??

Yes, and remember the results of NU in 2001 and OU in 2003? Neither of those teams belonged in the championship and both games sucked as a result. Plus, we ended up with a mythical split championship in 2003 because somehow some people believe a team who can't even end up on top of a 10-12 team conference deserves a chance to be at the top of all 119 D-1 teams.

 

[buckeyegrad]

BuckeyeGrad, I just want to know your answer on:
If Arkansas won the game yesterday, who would you have Ohio State playing for the title?

Edit: Also I'm finished argueing aside from that question, as i'm clearly outnumbered. I do find it entertaining though, that I want to play scum, and the "rest of illinois" agree's with me on that. I guess it just depends on where you live.

Under my system the choices would have been:

USC
Oklahoma
Arkansas
Wake Forest
Louisville

Which ever one is deemed the best of these 5 champions by the BCS system would qualify. Still flawed, but without a playoff, it would be the best possible scenario.

Can you demonstrate to me that Michigan is superior to all five of these teams? Without them playing each other, no. Since we know all conferences are not equal, we really can't go by record either. And let's be honest with ourselves, after the top three, the Big 10 sucked this year. We had two teams lose to D-1AA teams this year. We only have five teams with a record better than .500; and Wisconsin, Penn State, and Purdue would not likely have even that good if they had played in the SEC this year.

 

[OSUsushichic]

A poster on Grassy regarding Tressel's abstaining from voting:

Classy my azz. All he cares about is who's number one and that's already decided.
By not sending in his ballot, he can't be faulted for voting for the gates and trying to duck Meechigan.