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WR Carnell Tate (Official Thread)

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NJ-Buckeye said:
I watched a video that said taking the best NIL instead of the best coach to develop you will cost you many millions on NFL draft day
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Isn't that the adults/coaches talking out both sides of their mouth?

One side is "we prepare you for life after football because only 1% go to the NFL" kind of thing. Very true and very on point. The responsible message that should always be there.

Now, some, are going to say "well if you take the money now, over the coaching now, it will cost you millions on draft day" never mind that the NIL money now may be all the kid ever sees because, back to point one, most of them will never see the draft.

Still reeks to me of adults who can't come to grips with kids making NIL money or coaches/fans bitter about someone using it better than them in recruiting.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Isn't that the adults/coaches talking out both sides of their mouth?

One side is "we prepare you for life after football because only 1% go to the NFL" kind of thing. Very true and very on point. The responsible message that should always be there.

Now, some, are going to say "well if you take the money now, over the coaching now, it will cost you millions on draft day" never mind that the NIL money now may be all the kid ever sees because, back to point one, most of them will never see the draft.

Still reeks to me of adults who can't come to grips with kids making NIL money or coaches/fans bitter about someone using it better than them in recruiting.
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Isn't this just the basic opportunity analysis? Every kid will need to decide whether the money now is better than potential money down the line. It will be different for every individual and each decision will be unique. The above only cuts it down to the equivalent of clickbait headlines when only one side is presented without the other.
 
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dozenmonkeyz said:
Isn't this just the basic opportunity analysis? Every kid will need to decide whether the money now is better than potential money down the line. It will be different for every individual and each decision will be unique. The above only cuts it down to the equivalent of clickbait headlines when only one side is presented without the other.
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Sure. Everything is case by case but if any kid in the history of CFB said as a high school senior that he was looking for the easiest classes so he could just blow off school and get to the draft, what would the universal response be?

something like " stay in school, get your degree, you never know, only a small % go to NFL etc etc etc"

You can't think like that then shift gears to using potential NFL draft dollars as an argument to come to your school instead of NIL money. It's completely disingenuous.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Isn't that the adults/coaches talking out both sides of their mouth?

One side is "we prepare you for life after football because only 1% go to the NFL" kind of thing. Very true and very on point. The responsible message that should always be there.

Now, some, are going to say "well if you take the money now, over the coaching now, it will cost you millions on draft day" never mind that the NIL money now may be all the kid ever sees because, back to point one, most of them will never see the draft.

Still reeks to me of adults who can't come to grips with kids making NIL money or coaches/fans bitter about someone using it better than them in recruiting.
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Yup. I don't blame these kids one single bit for taking the biggest offers they can get. If these 4-8 million dollar NIL deals are legit then that's "I'm set for life" money. Even they don't play another down they can still get their degree while either starting a business or investing their money. You'd be a fool to turn that kind of cash down.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Sure. Everything is case by case but if any kid in the history of CFB said as a high school senior that he was looking for the easiest classes so he could just blow off school and get to the draft, what would the universal response be?

something like " stay in school, get your degree, you never know, only a small % go to NFL etc etc etc"

You can't think like that then shift gears to using potential NFL draft dollars as an argument to come to your school instead of NIL money. It's completely disingenuous.
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I agree with the angle you take on the topic and the hypocrisy of fan bases only looking at things from their perspective.

What is causing me to lose interest in sports though is the waning interest in actually competing and winning. It’s like that doesn’t matter anymore in a lot of sports. Money messes everything up and there’s probably no way to avoid it.

I watch the NBA today as an example, and I just see a bunch of rich friends playing exhibition games basically. I miss the 70s and 80s when guys genuinely hated each other and would lay you out when you drove the lane.

If Tate wants NIL money, I’m not going to fault him. And there is a good argument that it can be as important as the development he would get at a “better” school for producing NFL wide outs. If he had a career ending injury he would be glad he got paid early.

But what you are not choosing UT for is the chance to compete for titles. I guess that doesn’t matter to everyone. As I said, money corrupts everything and we need to realize it is inevitable in sports.
 
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He would make NIL money in Columbus also. That’s not a mutually exclusive outcome by going to Knoxville. The committed sum may be different which could matter to him. Agreed that I don’t like the direction here but it’s wide open so get yours while you can.
 
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ShowMeBuck said:
I agree with the angle you take on the topic and the hypocrisy of fan bases only looking at things from their perspective.

What is causing me to lose interest in sports though is the waning interest in actually competing and winning. It’s like that doesn’t matter anymore in a lot of sports. Money messes everything up and there’s probably no way to avoid it.

I watch the NBA today as an example, and I just see a bunch of rich friends playing exhibition games basically. I miss the 70s and 80s when guys genuinely hated each other and would lay you out when you drove the lane.

If Tate wants NIL money, I’m not going to fault him. And there is a good argument that it can be as important as the development he would get at a “better” school for producing NFL wide outs. If he had a career ending injury he would be glad he got paid early.

But what you are not choosing UT for is the chance to compete for titles. I guess that doesn’t matter to everyone. As I said, money corrupts everything and we need to realize it is inevitable in sports.
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The funny thing about this argument, is that view points like yours always forget that money was ALWAYS involved in collegiate sports. Some of the best dynasties in CFB went down due to paying players(i.e. Switzer OU Sooners, Miami of the 80s and 90s, Pony Express SMU, Carrol USC, Bowden Free Shoes U, etc), but no one had problems when they could point to a school as a boogeyman. Now that kids are making adults decisions, that adults make everyday regarding finances, they act like a kid doesn't want to win if he doesn't go to their school.

And the NBA has changed due to HS AAU. And btw, the talent has never been better. Many of those guys in the 70s, 80s and 90s wouldn't make the NBA now.

In the end I hope OSU gets Tate, but WR is the last position I'm worried about. If OsU can get 3-4 of:
Tate
Innis
Bryson Rodgers
Noah Rogers
Rico Flores
Jalen Hale
Kyle Kasper
Anthony Brown
And there's even more WR talent in 2023 that I can't remember at the top of my head. Well be fine regardless. But kids making the same financial decisions that can benefit their family's, no different than a kid deciding to go the military because his family can't afford college, or going to work a certain job because it pays a $1 more an hour than the other. I hope theee kids get their money. Tennessee also can get him to the NFL if he so chooses that school. Hartline will be fine
 
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pnuts34 said:
The funny thing about this argument, is that view points like yours always forget that money was ALWAYS involved in collegiate sports. Some of the best dynasties in CFB went down due to paying players(i.e. Switzer OU Sooners, Miami of the 80s and 90s, Pony Express SMU, Carrol USC, Bowden Free Shoes U, etc), but no one had problems when they could point to a school as a boogeyman. Now that kids are making adults decisions, that adults make everyday regarding finances, they act like a kid doesn't want to win if he doesn't go to their school.

And the NBA has changed due to HS AAU. And btw, the talent has never been better. Many of those guys in the 70s, 80s and 90s wouldn't make the NBA now.

In the end I hope OSU gets Tate, but WR is the last position I'm worried about. If OsU can get 3-4 of:
Tate
Innis
Bryson Rodgers
Noah Rogers
Rico Flores
Jalen Hale
Kyle Kasper
Anthony Brown
And there's even more WR talent in 2023 that I can't remember at the top of my head. Well be fine regardless. But kids making the same financial decisions that can benefit their family's, no different than a kid deciding to go the military because his family can't afford college, or going to work a certain job because it pays a $1 more an hour than the other. I hope theee kids get their money. Tennessee also can get him to the NFL if he so chooses that school. Hartline will be fine
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From a fans perspective the NBA is garbage. Doesn’t matter if players are “better” or not.

And I realize money has always been in college so it isn’t an argument I’m making.
 
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pnuts34 said:
The funny thing about this argument, is that view points like yours always forget that money was ALWAYS involved in collegiate sports. Some of the best dynasties in CFB went down due to paying players(i.e. Switzer OU Sooners, Miami of the 80s and 90s, Pony Express SMU, Carrol USC, Bowden Free Shoes U, etc), but no one had problems when they could point to a school as a boogeyman. Now that kids are making adults decisions, that adults make everyday regarding finances, they act like a kid doesn't want to win if he doesn't go to their school.

And the NBA has changed due to HS AAU. And btw, the talent has never been better. Many of those guys in the 70s, 80s and 90s wouldn't make the NBA now.

In the end I hope OSU gets Tate, but WR is the last position I'm worried about. If OsU can get 3-4 of:
Tate
Innis
Bryson Rodgers
Noah Rogers
Rico Flores
Jalen Hale
Kyle Kasper
Anthony Brown
And there's even more WR talent in 2023 that I can't remember at the top of my head. Well be fine regardless. But kids making the same financial decisions that can benefit their family's, no different than a kid deciding to go the military because his family can't afford college, or going to work a certain job because it pays a $1 more an hour than the other. I hope theee kids get their money. Tennessee also can get him to the NFL if he so chooses that school. Hartline will be fine
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Pony Express SMU definitely makes the list for paying players, but they didn’t get close to dynasty status like the other teams in the list.
 
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BB73 said:
Pony Express SMU definitely makes the list for paying players, but they didn’t get close to dynasty status like the other teams in the list.
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Because they were stopped before it really got going. Bare in mind that they only had a 3yr run but had the best record in CFB.
 
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This new generation seems to have honed the 'right now' aspect of life to a sharp point. NIL is the 'right now', and a successful pro career is the 'later'. If a kid has grown up poor, the NIL dollars loom large. But $100k (or $1 mil) isn't going to set you up for life. Would suggest that the ability of the school to put the kid in the league would outweigh all the NIL bucks that are floating around. Well, maybe not all of them, but mostly. See 5* QBs flocking to tOSU, USC, and Texas to be developed into NFL first rounders, because they'll be developed enough that they can go to the lesser big-time schools and be able to start. If it works out for them at their first school, great, but if not, there's other Playoff contenders that would welcome them so they get their minutes in the spotlight. Still don't hear about any 'sharing' of NIL revenues with the blue collar guys. Maybe we'll see the sophomore QB Heisman winner buy Rolexes for his OL from his NIL money?
 
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