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I recently drove the Porsche Panamera Turbo, the Maserati Quattroporte S, and the Bentley Flying Spur.

The Panamera Turbo (4.8 litre V8, 500 hp, 0-60 in 4.0, AWD, 4,343 lbs, 195.6") definitely out-performs any other sedan on the market - it has the speed, quickness, and handling of a sports car, and it would probably give the 911 Carrera S a run for its money on the track. The main problem with this car is that it is UGLY. Also, the back seat is small - this car would work better as a coupe to compete with the Bentley Continental GT and the BMW M6. The front seat is a bit cramped, but you expect that from a sporty car, and overall the luxury factor lags behind the Maserati and (of course) the Bentley. For people who want extra stupid fast, the Turbo S will give you fifty more horses and set you back another 35k (but it drops your 0-60 time to a ridiculous 3.6 seconds, if you're into that sort of thing).

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The Quattroporte S (4.7 litre V8, 433 hp, 0-60 in 5.2, RWD, 4,387 lbs, 200.7") is a true luxury sedan that also drives like a sports car. While it is a bit under-powered for its class, it is very responsive and handles almost as well as the Panamera. In my opinion, the QP is the best looking sedan on the market, and it definitely has the best sound (thanks to the Ferrari engine and the "sport" exhaust system). The interior is very luxurious and Maserati offers many customization options that Porsche, BMW, Mercedes, and Jaguar do not. The front seat has plenty of room, but it's not too roomy, so you still feel like you're driving a sporty car. The rear seat is adequate.

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The Flying Spur (6.0 litre W12, 552 hp, 0-60 in 4.9, AWD, 5,567 lbs, 208.3") is clearly the biggest of the three sedans that I drove, and despite its impressive performance, it does not feel or drive like a sports car (although it is super smooth cruising at 100 mph). Even with an extra 1,200 pounds, the Spur still is quicker 0 to 60 than the Maserati, thanks to its monster twelve-cylinder powerhouse, but it's still not even in the same league as the Panamera Turbo; I strongly suspect that both cars would put the Spur to shame on a track. Bentley is luxury with a capital L, and the car is simply decked out with wood and leather, and the interior is fully customizable. Very roomy, very comfortable, very luxurious, very nice car for long road trips - but also very expensive and not real fun to drive. The Speed version adds about fifty horsepower and 35k.

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I saw a Bugatti Veyron, but did not drive it. Ugly car, way too expensive - for the man who has everything except a 3-digit IQ.

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Saw three R8s in one day a couple of weeks ago. Can't say I like the looks of the car, but I'm sure it flies.

Neatest looking vehicle I've seen lately is the Lamborghini Sesto Elemento. Estimated curb weight a bit over 2,200 lb (largely carbon fiber construction), 570 BHP V10 engine, and a price tag of $2.9 million. Lambo will make only 20 of them.

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LordJeffBuck;2141459; said:
I recently drove the Porsche Panamera Turbo, the Maserati Quattroporte S, and the Bentley Flying Spur.

The Panamera Turbo (4.8 litre V8, 500 hp, 0-60 in 4.0, AWD, 4,343 lbs, 195.6") definitely out-performs any other sedan on the market - it has the speed, quickness, and handling of a sports car, and it would probably give the 911 Carrera S a run for its money on the track. The main problem with this car is that it is UGLY. Also, the back seat is small - this car would work better as a coupe to compete with the Bentley Continental GT and the BMW M6. The front seat is a bit cramped, but you expect that from a sporty car, and overall the luxury factor lags behind the Maserati and (of course) the Bentley. For people who want extra stupid fast, the Turbo S will give you fifty more horses and set you back another 35k (but it drops your 0-60 time to a ridiculous 3.6 seconds, if you're into that sort of thing).

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LJB - I have always wanted to drive the Panamera but have not had the chance yet. I may be looking for another daily driver soon - obv cannot drive a stick 911 Turbo regularly in NYC traffic. My daily driver now is a Jetta TDI, which I love, but its getting a bit long in the tooth (2005.5) so I may be looking for an upgrade in a couple of years. My question is - do you think the Panamera is a car that one could live with as a DD, especially in a place as crowded as the NYC metro?
 
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I have a Mini(non-turbo) and a lot of people love it as a DD in metro traffic.
Great gas mileage.(mine is getting 46mpg on high test) Super easy in traffic and parking in cities. Fun to drive. Comfortable for a tall guy. You can build exactly the car you want.(80% of all Mini's are custom ordered.)
There is a great Mini community to help,also. :biggrin:
 
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NewYorkBuck;2151173; said:
LJB - I have always wanted to drive the Panamera but have not had the chance yet. I may be looking for another daily driver soon - obv cannot drive a stick 911 Turbo regularly in NYC traffic. My daily driver now is a Jetta TDI, which I love, but its getting a bit long in the tooth (2005.5) so I may be looking for an upgrade in a couple of years. My question is - do you think the Panamera is a car that one could live with as a DD, especially in a place as crowded as the NYC metro?

Taosman;2151190; said:
I have a Mini(non-turbo) and a lot of people love it as a DD in metro traffic.
Great gas mileage.(mine is getting 46mpg on high test) Super easy in traffic and parking in cities. Fun to drive. Comfortable for a tall guy. You can build exactly the car you want.(80% of all Mini's are custom ordered.)
There is a great Mini community to help,also. :biggrin:

He said upgrade... :P

Jetta TDI > Mini

NewYorkBuck, take a look at the Audi S6. Yummy.
 
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NewYorkBuck;2151173; said:
LJB - I have always wanted to drive the Panamera but have not had the chance yet. I may be looking for another daily driver soon - obv cannot drive a stick 911 Turbo regularly in NYC traffic. My daily driver now is a Jetta TDI, which I love, but its getting a bit long in the tooth (2005.5) so I may be looking for an upgrade in a couple of years. My question is - do you think the Panamera is a car that one could live with as a DD, especially in a place as crowded as the NYC metro?

No more transitioning to PA?
 
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NewYorkBuck;2151173; said:
LJB - I have always wanted to drive the Panamera but have not had the chance yet. I may be looking for another daily driver soon - obv cannot drive a stick 911 Turbo regularly in NYC traffic. My daily driver now is a Jetta TDI, which I love, but its getting a bit long in the tooth (2005.5) so I may be looking for an upgrade in a couple of years. My question is - do you think the Panamera is a car that one could live with as a DD, especially in a place as crowded as the NYC metro?
Close call.

The Panamera 4S (eight cylinder AWD) is rated at 16 mpg for city driving which is probably about half of what you are getting with the Jetta. The 2012 Panamera does have a "start-stop" option, which will automatically shut off your engine at stops, and restart the engine when you hit the accelerator - I don't know how much this will affect your gas mileage, but it will undoubtedly help somewhat. Then again, you're looking to buy a 100k car in one of the world's most expensive cities, so a few gallons here and there probably aren't going to be a major factor in your decision.

There's also a hybrid model available, but you won't get the same performance with that.

Even though the interior is tight (back seat - front seat is fine), the Panamera is a full length sedan, so if you have to park on the street regularly, then it might be a tight squeeze.

The Panamera is comfortable and well-appointed, but it isn't really luxurious. You'll know what I mean if you test drive the Panamera and then the Maserati QP (for example, the QP has more wood and leather, and comes with optional massage seats which the Panamera does not offer). Some people feel more relaxed in a more luxurious car (and that can be a big deal when dealing with heavy rush hour traffic), so you might want to consider that factor.

Another psychological factor to consider is this - how are you going to feel sitting in traffic with 400+ horsepower under the hood? That would drive some people nuts.

I really love the Panamera as a performance sedan. My main problems with the car are (1) practicality, and (2) styling. There car is perfectly fine for two people, but the back seat is a bit cramped, so don't expect to carpool on a regular basis. The styling is a personal thing - some people love the look of the car, I don't.

Bottom line - if you like the car, then I personally don't see any one factor that would eliminate it from consideration as a daily driver, even in NYC. However, the combination of factors that I mentioned above might be enough to sway you against the car.

I would suggest test driving one. The next time you schedule the 911 for servicing, ask the dealer to set aside a Panamera for you to drive for the day. Better yet, schedule the service for a Friday, and keep the car for the weekend so you can get a feel for both city and country driving. The dealer should have no problem letting you have the car for a few days, because Porsche owners are very loyal to the brand, and he'll want to get you hooked on the car.
 
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muffler dragon;2151210; said:
No more transitioning to PA?

No -still going to Pa, but leaving a sat office in NY. Should be closing on my house in August. One of the aspects I want in the new car is a comfy long cruiser bc of the 3+ hours to NYC from where Ill be in Pa. Prob spend 5 days a week in Pa, 2 in NY, at least for the next few years. Ergo, need it to be city capable too.
 
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NewYorkBuck;2151319; said:
No -still going to Pa, but leaving a sat office in NY. Should be closing on my house in August. One of the aspects I want in the new car is a comfy long cruiser bc of the 3+ hours to NYC from where Ill be in Pa. Prob spend 5 days a week in Pa, 2 in NY, at least for the next few years. Ergo, need it to be city capable too.
Look at the BMW 5-series hybrid of you want something that makes sense in the city but will be an excellent long cruiser. As I understand it, the car runs electric-only until you reach about 37 mph.

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Having owned a 5-series, I can tell you they are exceptionally comfortable as well as terrific handling cars. Expect the same kind of performance that you'd get from the Maser. If you want to get to Panamera level, you'd need to go M5, and they haven't introduced that yet in the new body style. It should be available within the next couple of months, though, and you're looking at 60 times in the 3.7-sec range.
 
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