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Ive owned a 2004 911 Turbo for over six years now. Im probably jinxing myself, but I couldnt be happier with it. The performance was epic to begin with, but with a simple computer flash I went from 420 to 510 HP. If I could consistently get 93 octance fuel, it would have been 520 HP. All from a 3.6 liter engine. On top of all that, I can get 27+ MPG on the highway. Talk about just an amazing piece of engineering.

Only things that have gone wrong have been quite out of left field. Had a bad fuse that caused the fuel fill relief to close and it wouldnt take gas. Had some issues with the rear spoiler, but those whet away with better cleaning and maintenance of the rams. Other than that, its been all good.
 
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I saw one of these in the flesh for the first time over the weekend. The dealer was asking $127,000. Made in 2000 to 2003. BMW guaranteed a 50 year supply of spare parts!!!!!!!!
Gorgeous car!
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sparcboxbuck;2112643; said:
In fairness, the dude made a nice run into that wet cement. That took some serious effort assuming that he didn't likely have much of a running start.

I'm sure someone in Stuttgart is doing a double face palm.

I'm sure they have seen numerous 911s come to a bad end at the hands of people with more money than brains. :tongue2:
 
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sparcboxbuck;2112643; said:
I'm sure someone in Stuttgart is doing a double face palm.
Us purists prefer Zuffenhausen.

NewYorkBuck;2112752; said:
Ive owned a 2004 911 Turbo for over six years now. Im probably jinxing myself, but I couldnt be happier with it. The performance was epic to begin with, but with a simple computer flash I went from 420 to 510 HP. If I could consistently get 93 octance fuel, it would have been 520 HP. All from a 3.6 liter engine. On top of all that, I can get 27+ MPG on the highway. Talk about just an amazing piece of engineering.

Only things that have gone wrong have been quite out of left field. Had a bad fuse that caused the fuel fill relief to close and it wouldnt take gas. Had some issues with the rear spoiler, but those whet away with better cleaning and maintenance of the rams. Other than that, its been all good.
Porsche makes the best engineered cars, period. And although they are expensive, they are good value. And as you note, they are relatively fuel efficient and they simply don't break down.

The 2011 Turbo S cranks out 530 horsepower factory, and runs a 2.9 zero to sixty and a 10.6 quarter, all for half the price of a Ferrari 599 GTO.
 
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LordJeffBuck;2112955; said:
Us purists prefer Zuffenhausen.


Porsche makes the best engineered cars, period. And although they are expensive, they are good value. And as you note, they are relatively fuel efficient and they simply don't break down.

The 2011 Turbo S cranks out 530 horsepower factory, and runs a 2.9 zero to sixty and a 10.6 quarter, all for half the price of a Ferrari 599 GTO.

Trust me, if I could find away to get LAX gear and kids into a 911, I would have done it along time ago. Alas, the Audi will have to do for a few more years.

On that note, have read some discussions that the new S4 will be 1000 lbs lighter and will have a 4cyl power plant. Not sure how I feel about that. They are going to have to generate 911 like numbers before I would consider. I wish, if thet are to move away from the 8cyl (as done with the B8 S4), they go with the bi-turbo 6. I've never really been much a fan of any 4cyl sound... and I can't imagine that the 4 will be able to take that kind of wear that we can put on the 8s.
 
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NewYorkBuck;2112752; said:
Ive owned a 2004 911 Turbo for over six years now. Im probably jinxing myself, but I couldnt be happier with it. The performance was epic to begin with, but with a simple computer flash I went from 420 to 510 HP. If I could consistently get 93 octance fuel, it would have been 520 HP. All from a 3.6 liter engine. On top of all that, I can get 27+ MPG on the highway. Talk about just an amazing piece of engineering.

Only things that have gone wrong have been quite out of left field. Had a bad fuse that caused the fuel fill relief to close and it wouldnt take gas. Had some issues with the rear spoiler, but those whet away with better cleaning and maintenance of the rams. Other than that, its been all good.

Glad to see Uncle Sam hasn't completely ruined your life. Capitalist swine!
 
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LordJeffBuck;2112955; said:
Us purists prefer Zuffenhausen.


Porsche makes the best engineered cars, period. And although they are expensive, they are good value. And as you note, they are relatively fuel efficient and they simply don't break down.

The 2011 Turbo S cranks out 530 horsepower factory, and runs a 2.9 zero to sixty and a 10.6 quarter, all for half the price of a Ferrari 599 GTO.

LJB - And most Porsche purists would tell you that the straight line acceleration is not what they like best about their car. Even though I have 510 ponies under my right foot, I would also agree. The brakes are like anchors. I would say it corners on rails, but any 911 driver would tell you its not the right characterization. The rear-engine bias creates a very manuverable platform if you know how to wield it.

Regarding engineering, the Porsche counterpart to this site is Rennlist. On that site, there is a guy who owns a 2002 Turbo S in Boston. He drives it 365 days a year, rain, sun, or snow. Every once in a while, he snaps a photo of his dashboard and posts it. About 6 months ago, the picture showed a mileage counter of exactly 300,000 miles. 300,000 miles on a car like that! When asked what maintenence hes done, it was all standard stuff. Oil every 5k. Brake pads, A new radiator. Original engine, original trans, original CLUTCH. Try that with another exotic supercar and see how many miles you get. It wont be close to 300k, I promise you.
 
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NewYorkBuck;2113191; said:
LJB - And most Porsche purists would tell you that the straight line acceleration is not what they like best about their car. Even though I have 510 ponies under my left foot, I would also agree. The brakes are like anchors. I would say it corners on rails, but any 911 driver would tell you its not the right characterization. The rear-engine bias creates a very manuverable platform if you know how to wield it.

Regarding engineering, the Porsche counterpart to this site is Rennlist. On that site, there is a guy who owns a 2002 Turbo S in Boston. He drives it 365 days a year, rain, sun, or snow. Every once in a while, he snaps a photo of his dashboard and posts it. About 6 months ago, the picture showed a mileage counter of exactly 300,000 miles. 300,000 miles on a car like that! When asked what maintenence hes done, it was all standard stuff. Oil every 5k. Brake pads, A new radiator. Original engine, original trans, original CLUTCH. Try that with another exotic supercar and see how many miles you get. It wont be close to 300k, I promise you.
Agreed. I cited the straight line numbers because it is more difficult to quantify the other characteristics - maneuverability, braking, durability. I guess you could look at track times, but one really has to drive a Porsche to understand just how well-engineered they are.

If you really want to see what a Porsche can do, test drive a GT2.
 
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LordJeffBuck;2113273; said:
Agreed. I cited the straight line numbers because it is more difficult to quantify the other characteristics - maneuverability, braking, durability. I guess you could look at track times, but one really has to drive a Porsche to understand just how well-engineered they are.

If you really want to see what a Porsche can do, test drive a GT2.


LJB - Never yet got to drive the GT2. Speaking to the gent who programed my CPU flash, he says catagorically that the GT2 RS is the best sportscar ever built. Sadly, he said it will be the swan song of the Mezger engine (the GT-1 block that all GT3s, GT2s, and Turbos have been based on). Would love to get behind the wheel of a GT2 RS at least once. Sadly, prob not many dealers will let me test drive the only one they have in the showroom......:(
 
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NewYorkBuck;2113610; said:
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LJB - Never yet got to drive the GT2. Speaking to the gent who programed my CPU flash, he says catagorically that the GT2 RS is the best sportscar ever built. Sadly, he said it will be the swan song of the Mezger engine (the GT-1 block that all GT3s, GT2s, and Turbos have been based on). Would love to get behind the wheel of a GT2 RS at least once. Sadly, prob not many dealers will let me test drive the only one they have in the showroom......:(


Just saw a GT2 on the way home from ORD yesterday. Some old dude who drove it like he owned it. I saw open lanes over and over that he refused to take. SMH.
 
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http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/29/autos/ferrari_fastest/index.htm?iid=Popular

Ferrari announces its fastest car ever -- Ferrari will unveil its fastest street car ever at next month's Geneva Motor Show.
The Ferrari F12berlinetta is intended to replace the 599, which is currently the automaker's top-of-the-line production car. The 599 has a starting price of about $310,000. Pricing for the F12berlinetta has not yet been announced.
The new car will be powered by a 730-horsepower, 6.3-liter V12 engine. It will be capable of going from zero to 60 miles an hour in about three seconds with a top speed of 211 miles per hour.
In addition to being faster, Ferrari said the F12berlinetta also more fuel-efficient. The new car uses 30% less fuel than the 599, which would put its combined city and highway fuel economy at about 17 miles per gallon.
The F12berlinetta is a mid-front-engined coupe, Ferrari said. The engine is mounted as far back under the hood and as low as possible to optimize the car's balance and center of gravity. Ferrari also promises "exceptional in-car space and comfort" despite an overall smaller size.
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