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cdiddy70
Hall of Fame
I'm sure Dickie V and his merry band of Coach Huggers will lament this as an injustice, then in the next breath grovel over potential candidates - but Minny should strive for more.
Tubby was vastly over-rated and a lazy recruiter.
There is no reason why Minny in FB or hoops should be dwarfed by Iowa and Wisky.
Tubby was vastly over-rated and a lazy recruiter.
There is no reason why Minny in FB or hoops should be dwarfed by Iowa and Wisky.
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DZ83CK
Not Banned
I think it's questionable to fire Tubby now. You wait until his first NCAA tourney win (in his 3rd appearance in 6 years) to fire him? It's not like there were a ton of Minnesota talents that he missed out on. He did have some teams that appeared to play below their talent level. Just looking at their losses to OSU, they got blown out 2 times in 2010 when they should've played better, they got embarrassed at home against OSU in 2011, and last year they couldn't put a scare into OSU at home, then this year they got humiliated at OSU even though they were able to keep the game close for the first 20-25 minutes. It seemed like the trend was they'd keep the game close for 25 or so minutes and then get blown out, very odd.
This is a firing that could go very wrong. He had them in the NCAA tourney 3 of 6 years, when he took over the program they were even worse so his first year missing the tourney is irrelevant IMO. The other 2 years they went to the NIT. I think people got caught up in the losing Big Ten record and sheer number of losses each year, combined with the relative lack of NCAA tourney success. But what expectations should they have at Minnesota? I'd say 3 tourney appearances in 5 years is sufficient. I would not have fired him after this season, at least given him one more year. Yes, they were poor in Big Ten play but they have a lot of disadvantages. Tubby was kind of like their basketball version of Glen Mason. Not sure how they can improve really.
This is a firing that could go very wrong. He had them in the NCAA tourney 3 of 6 years, when he took over the program they were even worse so his first year missing the tourney is irrelevant IMO. The other 2 years they went to the NIT. I think people got caught up in the losing Big Ten record and sheer number of losses each year, combined with the relative lack of NCAA tourney success. But what expectations should they have at Minnesota? I'd say 3 tourney appearances in 5 years is sufficient. I would not have fired him after this season, at least given him one more year. Yes, they were poor in Big Ten play but they have a lot of disadvantages. Tubby was kind of like their basketball version of Glen Mason. Not sure how they can improve really.
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LitlBuck
Kevin Warren is an ass
I think that Tubby's time was up. I do not think his teams in the past couple years have shown any discipline whatsoever. I think if you gave Matta the talent that he has had over the past couple years and you would have seen some results.
His team had a losing attitude and he did nothing to correct that. Once they started to lose they were totally out of control I lost quite a few games by big margins. I know it is cold in Minnesota but he seemed to bring in some guys from pretty warm climates but did nothing right with the talent that he got. Williams played better when he was a sophomore than he did this year.
Tubby has had a nice career. Maybe he and his wife can go retire in a nice warm climate with no barn:)
Oh, to the poster who mentioned Shaka Smart going to Minnesota... I don't think so.
His team had a losing attitude and he did nothing to correct that. Once they started to lose they were totally out of control I lost quite a few games by big margins. I know it is cold in Minnesota but he seemed to bring in some guys from pretty warm climates but did nothing right with the talent that he got. Williams played better when he was a sophomore than he did this year.
Tubby has had a nice career. Maybe he and his wife can go retire in a nice warm climate with no barn:)
Oh, to the poster who mentioned Shaka Smart going to Minnesota... I don't think so.
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BigWoof31
"Barkin' up the wrong tree"
Tubby Smith got Georgia Basketball to back to back to back NCAA tournaments. Unthinkable since the early days of Hugh Duram
Maybe age has slowed down his work ethic and drive - but I'd take him back in a nano-second.
If he gets fired for this type of production, the seat has to be BLAZING for Jerry Kill.
Maybe age has slowed down his work ethic and drive - but I'd take him back in a nano-second.
If he gets fired for this type of production, the seat has to be BLAZING for Jerry Kill.
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Bucky32
Legend
Smart is not leaving VCU and no one is taking the UCLA job. Why would Smart or any other coach at a mid major who has a great program going, go to UCLA where winning your conference apparently isn't enough to avoid getting fired? Go to UCLA, make 2 million for 2-3 years and then get fired? UCLA is not a destination job anymore.
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Bucky32;2320684; said:
The FGCU guy, Enfield, made a bunch of money owning a software company, and went back to coaching because he wanted to build a program. I'm not sure how wealthy he is, but he might be a guy that would rather stay where he is than jump at a few million bucks. At the very least me might decide that he doesn't need to live in Minnesota to make more money.
Minny's AD is Norwood Teague, who hired Shaka Smart at VCU (as shiznit7 mentioned). Obviously he's going to make Smart an offer, but Shaka turned down some offers last year - he seems to be waiting for a more established program before he makes a jump up.
I agree with you either Smart and Stevens taking the job in Minny would be a surprise.
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buckeyesin07
Veni. Vidi. Vici.
BigWoof31;2320704; said:
Different sports = different expectations. Minny realizes they're a doormat in football (and, in any event, won't repeat the Mason mistake), having not been relevant since the 50s. At least the basketball team makes the tournament occasionally and was in a Final Four as recently as the late 90s.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
BB73;2320718; said:
My guess is that Minny would have to seriously outbid UCLA at this point.
I'd love to get him into the Big Ten, with Izzo, Matta, Lady Frames, Flintstone Jr., Groce et al......we are building a fighting force of extwahowdinawy magnitude.
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