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Evolution or Creation?

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Brewtus;1195674; said:
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These things you cite are texts that some people claim are intended to be read as verbatim fact rather than illustrative of greater truths. I think it's important to separate the Bible from interpretations thereof (including mine, or buckeyegrad's, or Billy Graham's, or anyone else's).

I'm on record as saying that I believe a great deal of the Bible is parabolic, as supported by the fact that Jesus (God made man) spoke in parables frequently. Why think God the Father spoke differently when He inspired the texts of the Old Testament? Others clearly disagree.
 
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I agree with everything in this thread. All views are encompassed by those of the great FSM. All are true, all are relevant, we need only to understand each other's language, all through pasta.
 
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One question I have for you, Brewtus, and maybe I've asked it before (If I have, I have just forgotten, and apologize) how is "the universe was created out of nothing" a satisfactory answer for you when science says so, but insufficient when religion says so?

Now, it's true that there's no "proof" of anything... but, as working theories go.. I don't understand how the idea of a creator G-d is distasteful when the alternative is "All that is now came to be from nothing." What I mean is, emptiness does not create fullness... ever... and yet.. that's where science begins. Now, again, I don't suggest that the lack of a scientific answer requires that the alternative "Creator G-d" theory must therefore be true.... I just don't get what's so distasteful about it.

In as much as religion(s) try to regulate morality, I'm quite fine with your objections to a G-d. But, G-d, as a working theory for how or why we're here, it seems to me to be quite a viable one... at least I can't think of a more sound alternative... can you?
 
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Few or no modern humans get their moral guidance by literal interpretation of the bible or tora. Otherwise, we'd all be trying to burn our children hoping god steps in to save them at the last minute. Or, like Joshua said, we should rape and pillage our enemies and burn everything they own (except the gold, bronze and silver) or other awful things the bible instructs. Most modern humans, regardless of religion (or lack thereof), race, gender basically believe in the same moral code, meaning the bible has nothing to do with our modern morals. The "cuz god did it" answer just doesn't fly with me. If we allowed that to be the answer for everything we don't understand, we'd still be living in the Dark Ages. I encourage all of you (on both sides of the fence) to read Richard Dawkins' "God Delusion." He's pompous, arrogant and a bit annoying sometimes, but makes excellent arguments for why the world would be a better place if we didn't depend so heavily on religion for our education and moral code (including creation).

Viva la Flying Spaghetti Monster!
 
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I think it's worth pointing out that the Old Testament was first transcribed hundreds of years before people realized the Earth was round (okay, the Egyptians knew, but they weren't letting on). Like all societies, the Jews created a series of explanations for the unexplainable. All the mysteries of the ancient world: day and night, the weather, the tides, were controlled by an unseen supernatural power that, of all things, had human characteristics. Unlike the other mythologies of the time, which had multiple dieties representing different aspects of humankind, the Jewish God was a soverign God (later split into 3 parts) who was perfect in every way except for being an egomaniac who condemned all who would worship another. The record of the begining of the world and all life in it, always writ in Hebrew, was then translated to Greek and Latin. Something tells me there might have been a few typos in there, especially the Latin. Israelites and Romans weren't exactly two peas in a pod. But that doesn't really matter, because centuries later (not long after the round world thing caught on) someone would rewrite the whole thing and put King James' name on it. And that's what hundreds of mllions of people base their lives on: what ammounts to the Jewish Edith Hamilton's Mythology, after it had traveled thru the Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Lutheran, and Anglican Churches (none of whom were crazy about Jews). And somebody's going to take that word over carbon dating, DNA testing and, well, common sense? Okay. Did I mention they thought the world was flat.

Hope that wasn't too offensive.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I'll go with Revolution. (numberninenumberninenumberninenumbernine......
 
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Evolution or Creation?

Both theories have flaws.

Unfortunately, some things in life are beyond our comprehension, even if we choose not to accept it.
 
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generaladm;1196002; said:
I think it's worth pointing out that the Old Testament was first transcribed hundreds of years before people realized the Earth was round (okay, the Egyptians knew, but they weren't letting on). Like all societies, the Jews created a series of explanations for the unexplainable. All the mysteries of the ancient world: day and night, the weather, the tides, were controlled by an unseen supernatural power that, of all things, had human characteristics. Unlike the other mythologies of the time, which had multiple dieties representing different aspects of humankind, the Jewish God was a soverign God (later split into 3 parts) who was perfect in every way except for being an egomaniac who condemned all who would worship another. The record of the begining of the world and all life in it, always writ in Hebrew, was then translated to Greek and Latin. Something tells me there might have been a few typos in there, especially the Latin. Israelites and Romans weren't exactly two peas in a pod. But that doesn't really matter, because centuries later (not long after the round world thing caught on) someone would rewrite the whole thing and put King James' name on it. And that's what hundreds of mllions of people base their lives on: what ammounts to the Jewish Edith Hamilton's Mythology, after it had traveled thru the Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Lutheran, and Anglican Churches (none of whom were crazy about Jews). And somebody's going to take that word over carbon dating, DNA testing and, well, common sense? Okay. Did I mention they thought the world was flat.

Hope that wasn't too offensive.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I'll go with Revolution. (numberninenumberninenumberninenumbernine......
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there are a lot of assumptions at the foundation of that soapbox of yours complaining about misguided assumptions. :wink:
 
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