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Ebola confirmed in the US

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http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ghly-contagious-virus-myths-outbreak-epidemic
Ebola is highly contagious … plus seven other myths about the virus

The Ebola outbreak is serious, but the nature of the epidemic is often misunderstood – and inappropriate measures suggested.
1. Ebola is highly contagious

Compared with most common diseases, Ebola is not particularly infectious. The primary risk of catching Ebola comes from the bodily fluids of people who are visibly infected – primarily their blood, saliva, vomit and (possibly) sweat. These can transmit the disease if they make contact with the mucus membranes (lining of your nose, mouth, and similar areas).

Each patient in the current Ebola outbreak is infecting on average two healthy people (this figure, known as the R0 value, can be reduced with appropriate precautions). The Sars outbreak of 2002-03 had an R0 of five, mumps 10 and measles a huge 18. Ebola could be much more infectious than it is.
 
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Taosman said:
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ghly-contagious-virus-myths-outbreak-epidemic
Ebola is highly contagious … plus seven other myths about the virus

The Ebola outbreak is serious, but the nature of the epidemic is often misunderstood – and inappropriate measures suggested.
1. Ebola is highly contagious

Compared with most common diseases, Ebola is not particularly infectious. The primary risk of catching Ebola comes from the bodily fluids of people who are visibly infected – primarily their blood, saliva, vomit and (possibly) sweat. These can transmit the disease if they make contact with the mucus membranes (lining of your nose, mouth, and similar areas).

Each patient in the current Ebola outbreak is infecting on average two healthy people (this figure, known as the R0 value, can be reduced with appropriate precautions). The Sars outbreak of 2002-03 had an R0 of five, mumps 10 and measles a huge 18. Ebola could be much more infectious than it is.
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Don't go confusing the people with Fax and evidents...MSNBC just told me we are all gonna die.and like it
 
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Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive For Ebola In First Person-To-Person Transmission On US Soil
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...bola-first-person-person-transmission-us-soil

Looks like the hospital worker had full protective gear on and still got it.

A few hours ago, Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, announced that a health care worker who cared for dying Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan, has tested positive for the virus after a preliminary test, officials said early Sunday. If confirmed, it would be the first known person-to-person transmission of the disease in the United States. The name of the patients is currently unknown, what is known however, is that the worker was "considered to be at low risk for contracting the virus" and the he or she was wearing full protective gear when treating Duncan, suggesting - yet again - that there is a transmission mechanism which is not accounted for under conventional protocol.

Confirmatory testing of the second case on U.S. soil will be conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, the statement from the Texas Department of State Health Services said.

The worker reported a fever late Friday and was isolated and referred for testing. "We knew a second case could be a reality, and we've been preparing for this possibility," said Dr. David Lakey, commissioner of the Texas Department of State Health Services. "We are broadening our team in Dallas and working with extreme diligence to prevent further spread."
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At what point do we stop fucking around and close the hot zone border down with force?

At what point do we stop the outbreak with the Metallica album Kill 'Em All? At some point it is the logical play to just fire bomb all of west africa and take the land as an American colony.


On a more serious note, I imagine the safety issue here is not sterilizing the contaminated suit before taking it off.
 
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BIATCHabutuka said:
So we are basically as informed here as the CDC then.

Good quote I saw in this today. I am not afraid of Ebola, I am afraid of any government that responds to it like this.
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Oh, come on. I am a proponent of a much smaller government, but the CDC is one of the agencies that the feds have gotten right.

Between the CDC and the WHO, we should be grateful for their tremendous competency. Unfortunately, we have a lot of unreasonable people who seem to have the idea that anything short of perfection amounts to incompetency, which is a ridiculous viewpoint based upon an unattainable metric.
 
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Yea bang up job by the .gov so far here.

The CDC and the .gov must think that Americans are stupid enough to buy the reasoning that we can't close down flights from there because we won't be able to get health care workers in and out of the hot zone.

There is plenty of middle ground there, close them down to commercial traffic and allow health care professionals in (and out after a 21 day wait period).


I am sure if you ask real health care professionals, doctors and nurses, not admin types and insurance paper work pushers, and they will agree with you Max, what they really need is more government help to solve this. . . .
 
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I'm not sure what to believe about ebola, I just hope that this is handled with the people's best interest in mind, not some political parties best interest. Call me paranoid but I just don't trust our government not to use this for political gain.
 
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Now this article I agree with. You can't pass the blame. It isn't human error, it is the system management put in place not being robust enough to handle human error.


Dallas Nurse Caught Ebola Because CDC Protocols Are Inadequate
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...ht-ebola-because-cdc-protocols-are-inadequate

Building Safer Protocols Isn’t Rocket Science … It’s Just Common Sense
A nurse in Dallas has caught Ebola even though she was wearing full protective gear.

The Centers for Disease Control says she must have broken protocol, or else she couldn’t have caught it. Maybe she did … or maybe CDC assumptions are overly-optimistic.

But the whole point of protocols for dealing with life-and-death situations is to have backup systems, redundancy and a margin of error in case something goes wrong.

In other words, if a mistake could be fatal, you don’t just hope that there’s no human error or natural accident. You build safety systems in so that – if something goes wrong – no one dies.
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Safe Removal of Protective Suits
CDC head Frieden said today that removal of protective clothing is one of the easiest ways to get exposed to Ebola, if done incorrectly.

He also said that it is “not easy to do right.”

Yes …and the protocol should reflect those facts.

Specifically, the CDC protocol should require:

(1) Spraying of bleach or other disinfectant or uv light on the healhcare worker’s protective clothing before it is removed

(2) A buddy system, where an infectious disease specialist helps the healthcare worker take off their protective clothing without exposing themselves in the process
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To me, the CDC is basically saying it isn't their fault because everyone didn't read their Ebola training memo on the bulletin board. Listen jackasses, nobody reads the fucking memo. Everyone knows the posted memo is just someone playing CYA.
 
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Isn't the CDC the one entity that keeps saying to keep calm, there is no reason to panic? I don't see the CDC being political at all.

Protocols only go as far as people follow them. It does not matter how much redundancy you implement, how much training you have, when you have humans that need to follow instructions to a letter, you have a high chance of failure since humans tend to do what they think is best in situations and will stray from protocol when they deem protocol to be overkill in their minds.

Anyway, to me it is all of the pols, talking heads, and media outlets that keep the fear-mongering going, not the CDC.
 
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buxfan4life said:
Anyway, to me it is all of the pols, talking heads, and media outlets that keep the fear-mongering going, not the CDC.
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It's my daughter's fault. She's a sixth grader and she wanted to do a report on Ebola last month. She ended up doing both a report AND a Powerpoint presentation.
I told her today that she opened the floodgates with her report, now all hell has broken loose.

She did get an A on the report. :biggrin:
 
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alexhortdog95 said:
It's my daughter's fault. She's a sixth grader and she wanted to do a report on Ebola last month. She ended up doing both a report AND a Powerpoint presentation.
I told her today that she opened the floodgates with her report, now all hell has broken loose.

She did get an A on the report. :biggrin:
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It had to be the powerpoint. Pictures and graphs tend to scare politicians and talking heads.

On a more serious note, congrats to your daughter on the A for her project.
 
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BIATCHabutuka said:
I am sure if you ask real health care professionals, doctors and nurses, not admin types and insurance paper work pushers, and they will agree with you Max, what they really need is more government help to solve this. . . .
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So you're telling me that addressing a potential pandemic does not require some government intervention?

:slappy:

Put down the pipe, VG. I perceive ill effects.

(BTW, government involvement in day-to-day healthcare has fuck-all to do with its managing contagion as a public health issue. I sure don't want more of the former, but damn sure think we need the latter.)
 
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