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Ebola confirmed in the US

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Still, it's a nice practice run for the next pandemic flu, or whatever other bacterial/viral/something-new surprise mother nature has simmering on the back burner in her endlessly innovating kitchen.
 
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Taosman said:
It's this simple.
You're more likely to die of the Flu than Ebola.
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This is true, for now, in the United States. I hope it is still true six months from now. The mortality rate is much higher for those who contract Ebola, it's just extremely difficult to contract, for now. However, with the WHO estimating that there will be 10,000 new cases/week in west Africa by the first of the year, we can only imagine how it will have spread across the globe in six months unless international travel is restricted out of those countries. This is only the beginning unless it is contained in west Africa soon.
 
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We know that European countries have been slow to react. But they will have "caught up" in way less than six months. The Flu will be a bigger problem in the coming months. There is no need or reason to scare people needlessly. Unless you're trying to scare people to make them react.
 
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Taosman said:
We know that European countries have been slow to react. But they will have "caught up" in way less than six months. The Flu will be a bigger problem in the coming months. There is no need or reason to scare people needlessly. Unless you're trying to scare people to make them react.
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I'm not talking about Europe--my perspective reaches beyond just white people. I'm primarily concerned with the spread of the virus into central Africa over the next six months. We are entering the season where significant labor migration occurs from west Africa into central Africa, so the spread is very real if the disease escalates to 10,000 new cases/week in the region in two months as predicted by the WHO. As it becomes more wide spread in Africa, the chances of it moving to other places in the globe (i.e. India, South America, Southeast Asia) with inadequate public health systems will increase, as will the chances of more cases showing in the United States and Europe. There is a very real threat this becomes the largest pandemic since the Spanish Flu outbreak a century ago if it is not contained in west Africa in the next two months.
 
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buckeyegrad said:
I'm not talking about Europe--my perspective reaches beyond just white people. I'm primarily concerned with the spread of the virus into central Africa over the next six months. We are entering the season where significant labor migration occurs from west Africa into central Africa, so the spread is very real if the disease escalates to 10,000 new cases/week in the region in two months as predicted by the WHO. As it becomes more wide spread in Africa, the chances of it moving to other places in the globe (i.e. India, South America, Southeast Asia) with inadequate public health systems will increase, as will the chances of more cases showing in the United States and Europe. There is a very real threat this becomes the largest pandemic since the Spanish Flu outbreak a century ago if it is not contained in west Africa.
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You really are the Apathetic Prophet of Doom! LOL
If I didn't know better I'd be suspicious of your motives.
Oh! Wait. You are the mod of the Political Forum aren't you?
Nothing like a little bleeding eye balls to motivate the base!
 
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Taosman said:
I could tell some stories about the current state of care in many hospital(including the VA) that would outrage you. ... Too many hospitals are being run for profit only.
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Taos, you've mixed your arguments here. VA healthcare is often terrible, and maybe the worst care offered anywhere, but they're really the only hospitals out there that operate without a profit motive. What's needed is more emphasis on P&L in our healthcare, not less. Otherwise we'll never be able to afford it. (Though admittedly we'll also need effective regulation to avoid things like excessive duplication of expensive instruments and devices within a given geographic area.)
 
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MaxBuck said:
What's wrong with this picture?

Taos, you've mixed your arguments here. VA healthcare is often terrible, and maybe the worst care offered anywhere, but they're really the only hospitals out there that operate without a profit motive. What's needed is more emphasis on P&L in our healthcare, not less. Otherwise we'll never be able to afford it. (Though admittedly we'll also need effective regulation to avoid things like excessive duplication of expensive instruments and devices within a given geographic area.)
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I'm for socialized medicine as the best way to insure patients get good care. Most developed countries have found it the best and most efficient way to achieve a high standard of care for everyone. But that discussion is for another time and place.
 
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MaxBuck said:
Like I said, VA healthcare is essentially socialized medicine, and it's about the worst we have in the USA. Not arguing that it might not be best in Sweden, just that we have clear evidence it's not the best for the US.
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What we have is clear evidence that the VA is horribly mismanaged and has been for decades. It's an embarrassment and all our vets deserve better.
 
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"The risk of Ebola infection remains vanishingly small in this country. The virus is not airborne, not able to travel in the way that, say, measles or the SARS virus can. Close contact with a patient is required for transmission. Just one death from Ebola has occurred here, and medical care is light-years from that available in West Africa, where more than 4,400 people have died in the latest outbreak."

"By contrast, in some years, the flu kills more than 30,000 people in the United States. Yet this excites little anxiety: Millions of people who could benefit from a flu shot do not get one."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ebola’s-other-contagious-threat-hysteria/ar-BB9hk7B
 
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Taosman said:
What we have is clear evidence that the VA is horribly mismanaged and has been for decades. It's an embarrassment and all our vets deserve better.
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Name a government program that isn't mismanaged and yes all DOD programs are included. You're dreaming/are high here Taos. Our government is the most inefficient organization on the planet. Giving these idiots control over our healthcare system is a recipe for disaster.
 
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