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DT Johnathan "Big Hank" Hankins (Seattle Seahawks)

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Fremont Buckeye;2268626; said:
That is pretty much irrelevant as drafts vary from year to year as does the NFL position need. That and the draft changed drastically with the rookie salary scale and how teams approach drafting for their team and their current needs.

A sample of years of where DTs were drafted proves little to nothing. If you are preceived to be the best player in the draft or a solid player in the draft you get drafted in high. That is why players get personal evaluations from individuals who talk to NFL teams to see where a particular player projects to go in a draft in a given year. Also remember Coach Meyer has an individual (Coop) in the Woody Hayes Facility that evaluates NFL talent, who may be advising Big Hank on the pros and cons of staying or leaving.
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So actual facts prove nothing? Right. :roll1:

Players are drafted by team need, not by best available. If I had Peyton Manning during his prime and had no solid RBs, I would not pick the top QB but rather the top RB, even if the top QB was the very best player available. You sound like the Browns' draft staff.

Hankins was projected top-5 because he was thought as the best DT and that the top DT would go in the top five picks. That evaluation has apparently slipped. If he is the third or fourth best DT now, you can bet his overall position will take an appropriate plunge. He is likely guaranteed to at least be picked in the late first round, if not higher, depending upon how he does in combines...he may or may not think that is good enough.
 
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OhioState001;2267976; said:
How many NFL players blow their millions anyway? My point is worst case scenario he takes a chance to win a national title gets injured drops to a late round pick and still makes a lot of money. Absolute worst case scenario.
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That would be injured and never able to play a down in the NFL.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;2268645; said:
I'm just glad Cam Heyward didn't frequent this board...ask him if he's sorry he stayed for his senior year.
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If you are first round material, just go....your ready for the show. Risk is great - go get paid.

If you aren't first round material, come back.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;2268645; said:
I'm just glad Cam Heyward didn't frequent this board...ask him if he's sorry he stayed for his senior year.
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Mili, no one is saying that staying for a senior year can't work out for a player, and I think most of us would be happy if Hank decided he wanted to get his degree, win a national championship, loved his teammates too much (or girlfriend, in Cam's case, right?), etc., etc. Its just that there are real risks for a kid who stays, and if a player can get selected in the first round, there aren't many draft slots available except down (or not at all if injured).
 
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MililaniBuckeye;2268645; said:
I'm just glad Cam Heyward didn't frequent this board...ask him if he's sorry he stayed for his senior year.
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What exactly did he gain (from an NFL draft standpoint)? Did his team win a national title? Also, you shouldn't forget the fact that his father was a very solid NFL player who probably did pretty well financially and seemed pretty insistent on his son graduating college. Hankins is not Heyward. You cannot compare one player to another, because they all have their own personal situations.

What I always find frustrating with this argument that we are having is when fans think that they know better about the situation than the player. It's silly to think that you know what is best for Hankins, because I'd be willing to wager that most of us on this board do not know him personally.

It's selfish as a fan to reason with yourself as to why this kid should come back just to fulfill an interest in having him back for another season. That's how I see all of this when you strip this argument down to the core.
 
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From Mili's example, using the 2012 draft as a reference, the difference between the first DT off the board (9-Dontari Poe) and the fourth (36-Derek Wolfe) was 4yr/$11.3m (fully guaranteed, $6.6m signing bonus) and 4yr/$5.2m ($3.2m guaranteed, no bonus).

Yeah, Poe's contract is better than Wolfe's ... but Wolfe's contract is far superior to the one Hankins has now with the NCAA.

A top of the 2nd round grade still earns Hank $3m+ guaranteed. Take the money big fella.
 
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Dryden;2268665; said:
A top of the 2nd round grade still earns Hank $3m+ guaranteed. Take the money big fella.
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....and be sure to listen to whomever tells you that $3MM guaranteed is actually just $1MM or so after taxes, agents, accountants, lawyers, publicists, etc., and spend/save accordingly. PLEASE!
 
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Dryden;2268665; said:
From Mili's example, using the 2012 draft as a reference, the difference between the first DT off the board (9-Dontari Poe) and the fourth (36-Derek Wolfe) was 4yr/$11.3m (fully guaranteed, $6.6m signing bonus) and 4yr/$5.2m ($3.2m guaranteed, no bonus).

Yeah, Poe's contract is better than Wolfe's ... but Wolfe's contract is far superior to the one Hankins has now with the NCAA.

A top of the 2nd round grade still earns Hank $3m+ guaranteed. Take the money big fella.
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Which is why I ultimately think he leaves. Best case, he's prob a top 15 pick, worst case, he's a low to mid second round pick. Ultimately, I think he lands in the low to mid 20's.

My point earlier about his draft stock falling wasn't to say he should come back, it was just that this may not be the slam-dunk decision we thought it would be earlier this year.

This is the time of year where good players get ripped apart by draft analysts and the flaws are highlighted. Jonathon had a good season and flashed amazing potential at times...but the consistency and stamina were not there game to game which is why guys like Star Lotulelei, John Jenkins, and Sheldon Richardson are all neck and neck with him in most mock drafts.
 
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