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DT Depth and Recruiting (Split from Barksdale)

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wadc45;705868; said:
If you look through Davis' thread, osugrad21 and others have said they think Davis is better suited on the defensive side of the ball.
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I know, I was surprised no one interjected that into this thread. It seems to make sense based on our recruiting/ depth chart situation. If Davis comes in as an OT and is a stud, sweet. If he struggles, try him on the other side of the ball to make room for the '08 OL.
 
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redskinbucksfan;705909; said:
I know, I was surprised no one interjected that into this thread. It seems to make sense based on our recruiting/ depth chart situation. If Davis comes in as an OT and is a stud, sweet. If he struggles, try him on the other side of the ball to make room for the '08 OL.
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A lot of people think an offer to Sanders in '08 is contingent upon Davis selecting Rutgers (which I don't know if I agree with because it's not like they are exactly interchangable), but I would not be opposed to seeing OSU take Davis this year as a DT and still offer Sanders next year and turn the Big 4 into the Big 5. Talk about solving two problems with only one additional offer...
 
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RB07OSU;705848; said:
Well I agree that freshman aren't going to make an immediate impact at DT...perhaps get some PT and hold up alright, but not make a huge splash. With that analogy, you would agree that we won't want freshman playing DT or starting at DT down the road correct? So with only Larimore in '06 and '07, if we don't get at least 1 DT this year, then that pretty much forces whoever we get in '08 or '09 to play right away at DT. Yes there are other possibilities but it's also a matter of depth. What if Larimore gets injured or Denlinger? Then we have all those young guys going in and as I said earlier, the transition from DE to DT isn't guranteed...it is very possible yes(as we have withnessed here at OSU) but you can't always bank on it. All I'm saying is that there is call for some concern...bucknuts freeboard doomsday concern? Not hardly. I do think however that to say we have done what we wanted with our interior DL recruiting in these last 2 classes wouldn't be accurate. This won't effect OSU this year or maybe even the next, but what about after Worthington and Barrow are gone? We have Larimore and Denlinger as sure bets at DT as upperclassmen and hopefully they stay healthy...not to mention that hopefully they don't turn out to be busts. Plus we have our rotation and we will need other DT's to be rotating in. Rose is the only younger player that has the possibility of sliding down and I've already voiced my opinion on that. Hopefully we can get Still or Heyward (I see both ending up at DT) or I really see a depth problem down the road.
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Are you missing the point where we agreed DTs can be built from DEs? Anyway, agree to disagree I guess...we are talking two different philosophies here.
 
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osugrad21;705913; said:
Are you missing the point where we agreed DTs can be built from DEs? Anyway, agree to disagree I guess...we are talking two different philosophies here.
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No I agree that DT's can certainly be built from DE's...however I don't see any DE's we are getting/got in '06 and '07 sliding down to DT from Dublin, Martin, Thomas, and likely not Rose(just my opinion). The DE's we have turned into DT's have came in as combo DE's/DT's, thus making the transition less difficult. Patterson was 6'3 260 and Barrow(possible convert) was 6'4 250...in most cases the DE's that convert are guys like Devon Still and Cameron Heyward, not guys like Thomas, Martin, Dublin, and in this case Rose. I am also saying that it isn't a gurantee that DE's will always make that transition to DT. But I agree that we'll have to disagree:biggrin: .
 
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RB07OSU;705935; said:
No I agree that DT's can certainly be built from DE's...however I don't see any DE's we are getting/got in '06 and '07 sliding down to DT from Dublin, Martin, Thomas, and likely not Rose(just my opinion). The DE's we have turned into DT's have came in as combo DE's/DT's, thus making the transition less difficult. Patterson was 6'3 260 and Barrow(possible convert) was 6'4 250...in most cases the DE's that convert are guys like Devon Still and Cameron Heyward, not guys like Thomas, Martin, Dublin, and in this case Rose. I am also saying that it isn't a gurantee that DE's will always make that transition to DT. .
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Thomas doesnt have that type of frame? Rose, Barrow, Denlinger, Larimore, Worthington are the five I see for sure as DT-possibilities. 5 right now for 2 positions...one fireplug 1tech and an athletic two gap 3tech. I see guys who could handle both positions there. That gives at least two years of development for anyone who comes in this year, another 2 years for one or more of the DE-types to outgrow the position, or another opportunity for the 08 class to grab some DL. My point on the philosophy is that it is not so much about bulk as it is about athleticism. Pitcock and Patterson...one fireplug and one two gap beast. We don't need a number of guys who can play the one-tech...3 at the most imo. The 3 tech is the versatile DL...we have those and will continue to get those.
 
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Defensive Tackles

I completely agree with RBO on this on and have been saying so for awhile. There is no guarantee that a kid is going to be able to add the weight and be able to play with his hands down. Where is our senior leadership at tackle for the next two years. There is none. No Penton, Green, Pitcock, Patterson, Peterson, etc. We were very fortunate since 2002 to have 4th and 5th year senior to step into spots at the DT position and we have benefited from it. We will not have one proven DT next year and it is easy to explain. We have not recruited to our fullest potential at that spot and the OT spot. We lost a big 10 championship because of the OT dept last year at penn state. Even the experts have to agree that we can only have so many 200lb athletes on the field at the same time. I for one am crossing my fingers for a few big fellas and no injuries for the next two years. Go Bucks.
 
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I know a lot of you don't see Rose at DT, but it is going to happen. He may not ever play there full-time but he will spend time along the entire defensive front, just as Davis Patterson has. So, whether or not you see it happening or not, it is happening.
 
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cbrian815;705959; said:
We will not have one proven DT next year and it is easy to explain. We have not recruited to our fullest potential at that spot and the OT spot.
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Did we have a proven LB this year? I think they did pretty well outside of some growing pains.

As for gaining weight, are you familiar with the type of athlete/body type we are discussing here? Adding the weight is not an issue if the frame is there.
 
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We will not have one proven DT next year and it is easy to explain.
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No, it's easy to throw out there as impending doom... but not easily accepted as such. To add to grad's point about LB play, we had 1 CB with some experience heading into this year, yet had nice production from 3.
We have not recruited to our fullest potential at that spot and the OT spot.
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If Maupin & Cotton had put in the effort on/off the field, we'd be sitting pretty at DT without sliding anyone down.
We lost a big 10 championship because of the OT dept last year at penn state. Even the experts have to agree that we can only have so many 200lb athletes on the field at the same time. I for one am crossing my fingers for a few big fellas and no injuries for the next two years. Go Bucks.
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Well I guess the sky is indeed falling then...
 
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