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Thump;961531; said:
Just sent Chris Chambers to the Chargers.

A possible opening for Ted Ginn to play more?


ESPN - Chargers get receiver Chambers from Dolphins - NFL
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Technically Hagan is the backup on Chamber's side but Hagan is hurt and the #4 WR hasnt caught a pass. I think Ginn should start because of this but who knows what Cameron will do.

The only problem I see is that Ginn may not know the routes for that side of the field.
 
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fire sale
n. A sale of merchandise damaged by fire.
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Free agency is not excluded. I said the fire sale begins. Now is a good time for them to start over, keeping very few components of the current issues at hand. Watch for ZT and/or JT to be placed on the block in the off season and a youth movement to persevere.
 
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Mr. Incredible;961658; said:
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Free agency is not excluded. I said the fire sale begins. Now is a good time for them to start over, keeping very few components of the current issues at hand. Watch for ZT and/or JT to be placed on the block in the off season and a youth movement to persevere.
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Ive thought that since before Marino even left this was necessary. Since 94 the fins keep adding one or two guys hoping they can stop new gaps from opening and they just end up staying a middling team who under performs every year. Jimmy Johnson tried to start over but the management wouldnt let him.

If Cameron can work this right Ill respect him more just because one of the coaches finally realized what was needed and talked the ownership into it.

As for the fire sale beginning dont forget the Welker, Morris and offensive line massacre in the off season.
 
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Very good points. If I could give my Fins symbol to you I would. I always felt Welker was a very underrated receiver, and now with the riddance of Chambers I was left wondering what direction the team is taking. Nearly 25 years since the last Super Bowl appearance and 5 years without a playoff run, where do you lay blame? Spielman? Someone before that? This isn't a one-year transition, it's been coming for a while. I do feel at the QB position the Dolphins had the right idea, wrong personnel. A mid-career QB is the way to go, but with current day intelligence in the league a team must spend the money on key positions. You can't possibly throw a rookie into the mix and expect him to succeed right away. Years of bad drafting in other positions has hurt them tremendously (i.e. Jason Allen, 16th pick in the first round of the 2006 Draft). In 2005, the draft class was solid- but keep in mind most rookies don't play for a few years. If you examine the drafts picks after Jason Taylor in 1997 through 2003 (the year the average player would be making an impact now), you have to be left realizing why the cupboard has become scarce:

3b Derrick Rodgers (92) LB Arizona State
(compensatory pick from NFL)
3c Ronnie Ward (93) LB Kansas
(compensatory pick from NFL)
3d y-Brent Smith (96) T Mississippi State
(compensatory pick from NFL)
4a TO ST. LOUIS in '97 draft trade-down (112)
4b Jerome Daniels (121) G Northeastern
(from St. Louis in '97 draft trade-down)
4c TO OAKLAND in '97 draft trade-down (123)
5a TO N.Y. JETS for James Brown (145)
5b Barron Tanner (149) DT Oklahoma
(from Kansas City for Pete Stoyanovich)
5c Nicholas Lopez (157) DE Texas Southern
(from Oakland in '97 draft trade-down)
6a John Fiala (166) LB Washington
(from Oakland in '97 draft trade-down)
6b Brian Manning (170) WR Stanford
(from St. Louis in '97 draft trade-down)
6c Mike Crawford (173) LB Nevada
(from St. Louis in '97 draft trade-down)
6d Ed Perry (177) TE James Madison
7a Hudhaifa Ismaeli (203) CB Northwestern
(from Oakland in '97 draft trade-down)
7b TO KANSAS CITY in '96 draft trade-down (214)
x - injured reserve '97 y - did not appear in a game in '97
1998​
1a TO GREEN BAY in '98 draft trade-down (19)
1b John Avery (29) RB Mississippi
(from Green Bay in '98 draft trade-down)
2a Patrick Surtain CB Southern Miss.
(from Carolina for 1st-round pick in 2000)
2b Kenny Mixon (49) DE Louisiana State
2c TO DETROIT in '98 draft trade-down (60)
(from Green Bay in '98 draft trade-down)
3a Brad Jackson (79) LB Cincinnati
(from Detroit in '98 draft trade-down)
3b x-Larry Shannon (82) WR East Carolina
4a Lorenzo Bromell (102) DE Clemson
(from Philadelphia in '98 draft trade-up)
4b TO PHILADELPHIA in '98 draft trade-up (112)
5a TO PHILADELPHIA in '98 draft trade-up (142)
5b Scott Shaw (143) G Michigan State
(from Detroit in '98 draft trade-down)
6a Nathan Strikwerda (171) C Northwestern
6b John Dutton (172) QB Nevada
(from Detroit in '98 draft trade-down)
7 Jim Bundren (210) G Clemson
x - injured reserve '98
1999​
1a TO SAN FRANCISCO in '99 draft trade-down (24)
1b TO DETROIT in '99 draft trade-down (27)
2a J.J. Johnson (39) RB Mississippi State
(from Detroit in '99 draft trade-down)
2b Rob Konrad (43) FB Syracuse
(from Kansas City in '99 draft trade-up)
2c TO KANSAS CITY in '99 draft trade-up (54)
3a TO DETROIT in '99 draft trade-down (70)
(from Detroit in '99 draft trade-down)
3b x-Grey Ruegamer (72) C Arizona State
(from Detroit in '99 draft trade-down)
3c TO KANSAS CITY in '99 draft trade-up (84)
4 TO MINNESOTA for signing Hunter Goodwin (120)
5a Cecil Collins (134) RB McNeese State
(from San Francisco in '99 draft trade-down)
5b Bryan Jones (142) LB Oregon State
(from Detroit in '99 draft trade-down)
5c TO SAN FRANCISCO for Kevin Gogan (157)
6 Brent Bartholomew (192) P Ohio State
7a TO N.Y. GIANTS for Tyrone Wheatley (231)
7b y-Jermaine Haley (232) DT Butte College
(from Detroit in '99 draft trade-down)
7c z-Joe Wong (244) T Brigham Young
(compensatory pick from NFL)
x - did not appear in a game in '99
y - previously under contract with CFL
x - injured reserve '99
2000​
1 TO CAROLINA in '98 draft trade-up (23)
2 Todd Wade (53) T Mississippi
3 Ben Kelly (84) CB Colorado
4 Deon Dyer (117) FB North Carolina
5 Arturo Freeman (152) S South Carolina
6a Ernest Grant (167) DT Arkansas-Pine Bluff
(from Cleveland for Karim Abdul-Jabbar)
6b TO KANSAS CITY in '99 draft trade-down (188)
7a TO SAN FRANCISCO for Jim Druckenmiller (230)
7b x-Jeff Harris (232) CB Georgia
(from Chicago for Brent Bartholomew)
x - injured reserve '00
2001​
1 Jamar Fletcher (26) CB Wisconsin
2 Chris Chambers (52) WR Wisconsin
3a Travis Minor (85) RB Florida State
3b Morlon Greenwood (88) LB Syracuse
5 Shawn Draper (156) T Alabama
6a Brandon Winey (164) T Louisiana State
6b Josh Heupel (177) QB Oklahoma
6c Otis Leverette (187) DE Alabama-Birmingham
6d Rick Crowell (188) LB Colorado State
2002​
3 Seth McKinney (90) C Texas A&M
4 Randy McMichael (114) TE Georgia
5a Omare Lowe (161) CB Washington
5b Sam Simmons (170) WR Northwestern
7 Leonard Henry (241) RB East Carolina
2003​
2 Eddie Moore (49) LB Tennessee
3a Wade Smith (78) LT Memphis
3b Taylor Whitley (87) OG Texas A&M
5a Donald Lee, (156) TE Mississippi St.
5b J.R. Tolver (169) WR San Diego State
6a Corey Jenkins, (181) DB South Carolina
6b Tim Provost, (209) OT San Jose State
6c Yeremiah Bell, (213) S Eastern Kentucky
7 Davern Williams, (248) DT Troy State

I highlighted the players I think were solid draft picks based on what they brought to the team. An average of just over one impact player drafted per year gets a team nowhere fast. I did not count players with brief contributions (a la John Avery, Travis Minor).

Sammy Morris did well in lieu of the Ricky Williams saga, and Wes Welker is having a career year with the Pats. How can you let a couple of players that were so vital to any sort of success slip away? Who will Cleo Lemon throw to? Acquisitions of A.J. Feeley, Daunte Culpepper and Trent Green weren't long term answers. And they continually take risks on players like Cecil Collins and Manny Wright. With a solid draft in 2005, they may have a partial solution, but they fail to reload at key positions (Marino, Taylor, Thomas) when they know star players are coming to the end of their NFL careers.

Years of disappointments is very frustrating for fans. Super Bowl contender labels resulting in 62-0 losses in the playoffs doesn't sit well.
 
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DOLPHINS DUMP DARIUS
Quick -- what one-time former first-round draft pick has been cut by three NFL teams in little more than four months?
Well, if your read the title you know the answer.
The Fins have cut safety Donovin Darius. He was first released by the Jags on June 14, and he later signed with the Raiders. And then was cut. And then signed with the Dolphins.
He played in three games, starting in two, since joining the Fins.
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Mr. Incredible;961751; said:
I highlighted the players I think were solid draft picks based on what they brought to the team. An average of just over one impact player drafted per year gets a team nowhere fast. I did not count players with brief contributions (a la John Avery, Travis Minor).
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Also notice the lack of #1 picks (all but 2 traded away), the lack of success with skill positions is amazing. The 04 draft was almost entirely traded away ... the 05 draft brought in three starters ... then top pick in the 06 was Hagan in the third rd who still may have a chance to grow into the offense but isnt an elite talent.
 
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ESPN - Dolphins Don't Reload, They 'Retool' - Hashmarks by Matt Mosley

The Dolphins can't quite figure out who to help win a Super Bowl. First, they sent receiver and special teams ace Wes Welker to the Patriots. And now they've sent Pro Bowl receiver Chris Chambers to the Chargers in exchange for a second-round draft choice.

"Every year is a retool," general manager Randy Mueller said when asked why teams are so fearful of using the term "rebuilding." "Some have further to go than others. I think teams are worried about sending the wrong message, and nobody wants to hear about rebuilding."Miami Herald columnist Greg Cote thinks trading Chambers is a good start. Now, he's ready to see rookie quarterback John Beck throwing to Ted Ginn Jr. and Derek Hagan. Good times are here again.

In time, this could be the most exciting winless team in football.

Trade proves Dolphins far from a contender - 10/16/2007 - MiamiHerald.com


Finally, on Tuesday, the people running the franchise admitted, in the dismal face of an 0-6 record, that today was hopeless and that the investment and mind-set needs to shift entirely to tomorrow. So they traded their best receiver, Chris Chambers, to San Diego for a second-round draft pick this coming April.

A good, contending team doesn't trade talent for picks like that. But a bad, desperate team sure does. It is a good trade.

Good on the face of it, and good because it is an admission -- a dose of reality, at last -- that this franchise has broad, fundamental problems that cannot be fixed with a tinker and a tweak. The Dolphins are old in some areas, plainly lack talent in other areas, and suffer a dearth of depth in yet others.

Chambers, at 29, likely has peaked in his career arc, and, although he has had a mostly productive seven seasons here, one Pro Bowl does not sing his praises as being more than pretty good. Neither does his zero touchdown catches this season.

Besides, back in 2001 Miami spent to get him the same second-round pick the team will now be getting for him. In other words, in effect, Miami got 405 catches and 43 TDs from him, and then a full refund. Not bad.

Likewise, and most importantly, the Dolphins need to find out this season whether Beck looks like a franchise quarterback or not, and only under fire on Sundays do you get to see that.

This next draft boasts a bunch of top-10 players in Dolphin areas of need, especially defensive line, so let's find out for sure if the team can count on Beck so it might then target someone like LSU defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey, Southern Cal DT Sedrick Ellis, Virginia DE Chris Long or even Michigan offensive tackle Jake Long.

Beck connecting deep to Ginn, and with a fresh new second-round pick added to the Dolphins' pocket -- now that's the beginning of some hope for a team and its fans so desperately wanting
 
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5. No more Lemon.

Cleo Lemon's first start of the season in place of the injured Trent Green was not always pretty and ultimately was not successful, but it was promising. He has a live arm, is not afraid to use it, and moves around enough in the pocket to keep plays alive. All of that resulted in him accounting for four TDs against the Browns (two passing, two running) and leading the offense to a season-high 31 points.

Every week will not be that good, and this week against the Patriots should be considerably more difficult. But with how bad Miami's defense is playing, don't be surprised if there are several more shootouts, even without Chris Chambers. Of course, if Lemon does not win, he will not remain the starter, no matter how long Green is out.

And, by the way, now is a good time to think about selling Ronnie Brown. He has had four consecutive 100-yard games and his value is as high as it will get, but the schedule is turning difficult. With the locker room fraying after a 0-6 start, who knows what kind of effort you're going to get from anybody?
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POSTED 11:51 a.m. EDT; UPDATED 1:17 p.m. EDT, October 19, 2007
TAYLOR DENIES THAT HE WANTS TO BE TRADED
Dolphins defensive end Jason Taylor denies that he told Peter King "of All NFL Media" that it would have been best if Taylor had been traded.
On the current edition of Inside the NFL on HBO, King says he asked Taylor if he was sorry that he hadn't been moved before the October 16 deadline.
"[T]aylor said, 'You're putting me in a tough spot here,'" King said. "'I've had 10 great years here. I owe a lot to the Dolphins.'"
But King also said, "Clearly, Jason Taylor thinks not only would it be in the team's best interests for him to go in the offseason, but it would be in his best interests to go to a contender in the offseason for the last couple of years of his career.'"
In this case, we think both men are right. Taylor apparently never said that he thinks he should have been traded. Instead, King apparently was divining Taylor's thoughts based on his reaction to King's question. And King probably is on the money -- why would Taylor want to remain on a team that won't be rebuilt until after he's gone?
Still, if that's what really happened, King probably should have been more clear, especially since he was embroiled in a pissing match last week over whether Cowboys coach Wade Phillips had said what everyone else is thinking (and some are openly saying) about the Patriots' cheating scandal.
And while King has been able to develop a vast network of NFL folks who will happily talk to him on the record about potentially sensitive subjects, it might be a good idea for him to minimize the he-said/he-said situations. Eventually, it could affect the extent to which people will talk without first insisting that the discussion occur off of the record. ​
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POSTED 3:05 p.m. EDT; UPDATED 3:18 p.m. EDT, October 19, 2007
FINS GIVE PATS A LITTLE BULLETIN BOARD MATERIAL
Usually, it's hard for a 6-0 team to find ways to get itself pumped up when facing an 0-6 team.
Miami linebacker Channing Crowder has made that process a bit easier for the New England Patriots.
In an interview posted October 18 on the team's web site, Crowder initially says all the right things about the Pats. But then Crowder pops off a bit about the team that is giving the Fins 17 points.
"I don't think we should be any underdog," he said. "I don't think the team's that much better than us."
It's not really earth-shattering stuff. But for a team that needs every once of potential motivation that it can find when getting ready to face one of the worst teams in the league, Channing's comments can't hurt.
And thanks to the reader who pointed this out to us. There's only so much time for us to track this stuff down, and the process is easier when our audience helps direct us to the more interesting nuggets.
Crowder, by the way, crammed his foot into his chowder hole last month before the Fins played the Raiders. Regarding Oakland quarterback Daunte Culpepper, who would account for five touchdowns against his most recent former team, Crowder said, "He's still limping around. He's not 100 percent. He's still not the Daunte Culpepper of back with Minnesota."​
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Well Cameron's been tring to give Chatman a chance to earn the job all year... now he finally got his guy in... Hopefully he has some life left, I dont want to see us break the winless record (though it would be oddly fitting to own both the winless and lossless records at the same club)

Notice, the starting QB, WR and RB are all already done for the year or gone.
 
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