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Does Michigan go to a bowl game this year?

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Buckeye_in_Cali;1153754; said:
Sell. What was Illinois record 2-3 years ago? While I don't think it will be that bad, 2-9, 2-10, it certainly won't be drastically better. Coaching change+system change+loss of family values+personnel loss = no bowl.
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Illinois ain't Michigan...they had squat for talent before Zook took over. What they did back then is irrelevent to what Michigan will do this season. This season's Michigan team still has as much overall talent, top to bottom, as Illinois' Rose Bowl team of last year. This thing that hurts Michigan the most is the fact that most of their losses where at key positions (QB, RB). They have enough of a pure talent base to earn a bowl bid.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;1156967; said:
Illinois ain't Michigan...they had squat for talent before Zook took over. What they did back then is irrelevent to what Michigan will do this season. This season's Michigan team still has as much overall talent, top to bottom, as Illinois' Rose Bowl team of last year. This thing that hurts Michigan the most is the fact that most of their losses where at key positions (QB, RB). They have enough of a pure talent base to earn a bowl bid.
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A voice of reason calling out in the wilderness... I just hope Michigan is good enough to beat Notre dame.
 
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Bestbuck36;1157060; said:
I'd make the vbet on them having a losing season overall.
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Before you lay own your hard-earned vCash, let me remind you (and everyone else) that Michigan has had a winning record every year since 1984 (when they went 6-6) and haven't had a losing season since 1967 (4-6). Michigan just has so much more talent than everyone on their schedule except for their final regular-season opponent...even DickRod will be able to squeeze six wins out of his first year.
 
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Deety;1156842; said:
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Yeah, though... at least I hope so. A total collapse wouldn't be good for the conference or the rivalry.
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Jay Paterno is going to be peeved that his secret advantage is out, between the "Tornado" game and Techmo football PSU will return to prominence next year, I just hope Fat Chuck doesn't get ahold of this, NoD would have a legitimate chance to win a bowl game.
 
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I'm sure that scUM will be in a bowl game next year, they still have the talent level and coaching to beat most of the lower-tier teams on their schedule.

However, they very well could end up in a lower-tier bowl game, and have a couple of very embarrassing blowout losses during their season this year.
 
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Talent alone does not win you ball games. They are replacing their entire OL,QB,RB and by far best two WR's. They also lost two other OL that would have been on their 2 deep.

On defense they lost their startign safeties and two best linebackers. Their D-line will be good but they lack depth at DE. Jamison and Graham cannot play every snap.

Early in the season they are gonna have alot of turnovers and penalties on offense. This will cost them two games early in the season. My guess is they lose to Utah because of this.

I don't think they are as talented as Illinois...how???? Match them position for position. QB...Illinois, WR (Mathews)...isn't better than Benn so on and so forth. Michigan has alot of tough road games this year. Their margin for error is small and losses due to injury will kill them especially on defense.

All the Michigan fans are thumping their chests because of the new coaching. The most important position on their team this year is QB. They don't have one gentlemen. WVU was mediocre with white on the bench...ask Pitt. They do not have anyone close to as good as him at QB. His system only works with a great QB. They are gonna lose alot of games this year. The longer that defense is on the field the more injuries and fatigue later in the season. He is gonna learn he is not in the big least anymore. Its like going from JV to varsity. If Terance Taylor, Jamison or Graham go down they are in serious trouble.
 
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brutus2002;1157122; said:
I don't think they are as talented as Illinois...how???? Match them position for position. QB...Illinois, WR (Mathews)...isn't better than Benn so on and so forth.
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Last time I checked, there are 22 positions on a team. Illinois has some studs here and there, but across the board and down the depth chart, Michigan has more talent.
 
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Yep and Michigan lost their entire OL...IIRC Illinois lost 2-3 OL. Thats 2-3 positions right there for illinois. TE goes to Jeff Cumberland. JLeman Left but they have two returning LB'ers who are very good. Both teams lost both safeties. I give the one corner spot to Vontae Davis of Illinois.

Honestly I would say Michigan is better than Illinois at both DE spots and one DT. I heard Illinois DL as a group is very talented but has no superstars. I'D give Michigan RB, one corner spot, and punter. 6 out of 24 including special teams is not very good. Illinois has a good team. Michigan still doesn't have the position that counts and thats QB...thats trumps anything. Michigans offense will not be good without a QB. Their defense is not deep or good enough to be on the field alot this season. If they sustain injuries this year like they did last they will not make a bowl.

OSU getting Pryor set RR back at least a year. Thats gives the B10 an extra year to adjust. Pryor to OSU fucked Michigan more than one way.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;1157096; said:
Before you lay own your hard-earned vCash, let me remind you (and everyone else) that Michigan has had a winning record every year since 1984 (when they went 6-6) and haven't had a losing season since 1967 (4-6). Michigan just has so much more talent than everyone on their schedule except for their final regular-season opponent...even DickRod will be able to squeeze six wins out of his first year.
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I understand where you are coming from but that tradition has hit a severe snag with Rodriquez. The coaches and players before him were part of that tradition and quite frankly it has been excellent. The new regime has a new leader, new attitude and completely new look. In the long run will it be effective? Most likely. Will it be this year? I'm betting no. The cupboard is bare by michigan standards and the rest of the Big10 can smell the blood in the water. If any year the Indianas, Minnesotas and Northwesterns could tag old Blue its this year. I'm not saying they will but the confidence that they can is nearly enough to get it done on any given Saturday. I think at Purdue is going to be the one that locks in the losing season for them. By the end of this campaign, they are going to want not even the littlest piece of the Buckeyes.
 
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The psychological variable must be factored in. Last year, they lost to a team they shouldn't have (App St) then beat a team they weren't supposed to (Florida). If there is anything we learned from last year, it is that you never know how a team (or their opponent) is going to respond and that talent can be overcome with tenacity.

Many Big Ten teams have the habit of losing to Michigan by giving them the game in the 4th quarter (like Illinois and MSU last year). This year, teams like MSU may now be ready to get revenge on their "big brother". What ends up being the predominant theme (teams buckling or getting revenge) will inevitably decide their fate.

I see them winning at least 7 games. This is not the same scenario as ND, which hasn't had a defense for years. UM has talent; they may have new faces but so did our D in 2006. UM is a team that must be respected if we truly look to disrespect them on the field. RR doesn't need to find the same amount of weapons that Carr had to in order to muster up some offensive (just 3 - a running qb, a rb, and a wr - like at wvu) and their defense will be solid. It is fun to dog UM but I remember when their so-so teams spoiled our shot at a NC in the 90s. They are always our the last regular season game and therefore, our final gate before a possible bowl/title shot so I never take them lightly.

Go Bucks!!! Third time's a Champ!!!:osu:
 
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MililaniBuckeye;1157123; said:
Last time I checked, there are 22 positions on a team. Illinois has some studs here and there, but across the board and down the depth chart, Michigan has more talent.
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Michigan may have more talent, but it is definetly untested and, ultimetly, unknown at this juncture.

I cannot remember a year that Michigan lost so much talent, on top of it being concentrated all on one side, and to top it off had to learn a new system (which affects that same side of the ball more than any other).

I think it is quite possible for UM to go 1-4 to start the year. Illinois is a better "team" to me, especially early on. I doubt they beat Wisconsin in Camp R. ND and Utah will have the "talent" to beat Michigan (and vice versa).

The rest of the schedule has 3 games I could see the losing. Penn State, Michigan State, and Ohio State.

Even if I give them one of the Utah/ND games that leaves them at 6-6. (God forbid they drop one they shouldn't against Pudue, etc.)

They COULD end up without a winning record. It is feasible.

BTW, I like the depth at Oline and Dline better at Illinois. Subsequently, those are the two spots I would want to have the most depth.
 
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