Disgraced Former Penn State DC Jerry Sandusky (convicted child molester)

[Bucklion]

I would just calm down regarding those statements. We should separate the people who made those statements from their job as a lawyer. As lawyers, we are (well, I'm not yet; still studying for the bar) obligated to defend our clients zealously. We get sued if we don't. We also don't necessarily have to, and often times don't, personally support the statements we make while we have our lawyer hats on. They are doing their job as lawyers. I would be shocked and appalled if they actually believed it entirely; I read that as them just doing what they are paid to, and what the law requires, them to do.

Now we can continue with the PSU bashing. =)

I don't really give a shit what you would do, so there's that. Beyond that, that's all well and good, I didn't say they should be censored, I was pointing out how utterly fucking ridiculous the statement sounds, in any context. If you don't like that, oh well.

 

[LightningRod]

Jerry Sandusky trial: Accuser testifies he denied abuse even though many suspected it was happening

Eliciting the first bit of emotion from alleged Victim 4 as he testified against Jerry Sandusky today, attorney Joe Amendola asked the 28-year-old why he had denied the abuse he now alleges for so many years.
He denied it as a kid when he was teased in school.
He denied it to his family.
He denied it to his girlfriend, even reluctantly taking her to meet Sandusky when she began asking questions about their relationship.
"I don't even want to admit it's happening," he said. "I've spent so many years of my life burying this. I find out it was happening over and over, and I feel if I just had said something back then, they wouldn't have had this happen to them," he said about other accusers.
He said he didn't even want to be involved in the case.Victim 4 admitted under questioning that he heard Sandusky was accused by others because his biological father called him after hearing about it last April in the news.
Police then came knocking on his door, but he refused to talk, and told his story for the first time when he was subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury.
Earlier, Victim 4 said Sandusky was one person during the day -- a father figure who lavished him with gifts and with attention that he cherished -- and another at night.
At night, he was a molester, Victim 4 said.
He got a bit angry on the stand while explaining two times that Sandusky tried a specific sex act on him in the shower, and he squirmed with "all his might" to get away.
After one incident, Sandusky took him to buy a snowboard, he said.
By the time he was an adult, he said, it was a regular joke among his friends and family he was molested by Sandusky and had some kind of inappropriate relationship with him.
He ademently denied it, he said.
Once, he tried to hint something to his mother, but she accused him of being a liar, he said.
When he took his girlfriend to meet Sandusky, he said she immediately could tell the rumors were true.Before cross-examination began, prosecutors introduced to the jury contracts that Sandusky had written up that showed Victim 4 would be paid if he stayed in a "relationship" with Sandusky, got good grades, and completed other deeds.
Sandusky, a former Penn State assistant football coach, has been charged with abusing 10 boys. His trial started this morning.

 

[Taosman]

As bad as it all looks, I just can't imagine the football program being shut down. Or it leaving the BIG. Not gonna happen. It's all about the benjamin's!
Now, that being said, the NCAA could feel they have to do something in this extreme case or look "irrelevant". They have an "ethics" clause.
And there is also the FBI investigation.

 

[LightningRod]

Jerry Sandusky trial: Accuser testifies he thought former Penn State coach Tom Bradley was 'suspicious' of pair showering

Jerry Sandusky's attorney continued his questioning of alleged Victim 4 after a short recess at Sandusky's sexual assault trial today, asking him about the shower facilities at Penn State, the time frame he began to distance himself from Sandusky and how much Sandusky tried to help his academic career.

At one point, the accuser said Sandusky did his summer coursework for him. At another, he said he thought former Penn State assistant coach Tom Bradley was "suspicious" when he found the boy and Sandusky in a Penn State shower. "There was one time that Coach Bradley had come in, and I can't say what his thoughts were, but I think he was suspicious because he stayed in the shower until we left," he testified.

Amendola pressed the man on the shower facilities at Penn State's football facility, asking if any players or coaches entered when something inappropriate was happening between him and Sandusky.

The man said no coaches or players ever witnessed anything inappropriate, but estimated that something inappropriate had happened with Sandusky "probably 50 times."

Amendola continued by asking the man to read out loud two letters Sandusky had written him. Those letters were not part of the "creepy love letters" the man mentioned earlier in his testimony, he said. "Some of them are more personal, like I love you and things like that," he said.

The man also described an incident in Sandusky's car where he says he hit him with a bottle because Sandusky kept putting his hand on his knee.

"There was a friend with me at the time, and I didn't want him seeing any part of that," the man testified. "And this was after Jerry freaked out on us for being at a concert for longer than we should have been."

Amendola continued the questioning, asking about the man's finances and if he knew any of the other accusers in the Sandusky case.

"We lived in the same town," he said. "I wasn't the nicest kid when I was little," he testified. "I was kind of a bully, and I bullied a few of them."

Sandusky is charged with molesting 10 boys. He maintains his innocence.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

I will just say this, Jebus - sometimes zealous advocacy is simply insuring that your client is getting a fair trial, and that the Prosecutor is doing his or her job, or making sure the cops did theirs.

Zealous advocacy is not particularly complicated in law school. It most assuredly is in practice.

I'd also note - the Constitution protects the accused... you get to face your accuser... you get to have a lawyer.. you get process... what you DON'T have is a right to "zealous advocacy."

I do agree with your assertion that lawyers do have to sometimes argue shit they don't actually believe personally. But, be careful to not conflate the issues here. At the end of the day, as a lawyer, I am a human being first. Fucking sue me.

 

[Taosman]

Here's the warning to PSU from the NCAA. Obviously, they are in deep, uncharted waters here.
http://www.examiner.com/article/ncaa-informs-penn-state-an-investigation-is-coming

 

[Bucklion]

I will just say this, Jebus - sometimes zealous advocacy is simply insuring that your client is getting a fair trial, and that the Prosecutor is doing his or her job, or making sure the cops did theirs.

Zealous advocacy is not particularly complicated in law school. It most assuredly is in practice.

I'd also note - the Constitution protects the accused... you get to face your accuser... you get to have a lawyer.. you get process... what you DON'T have is a right to "zealous advocacy."

I do agree with your assertion that lawyers do have to sometimes argue shit they don't actually believe personally. But, be careful to not conflate the issues here. At the end of the day, as a lawyer, I am a human being first. Fucking sue me.

My point in addressing the statement from the defense wasn't even to argue against zealous advocacy either...I mean, they can be 100% zealous, whatever, I am not a lawyer. I want to know how anyone can look at that statement and think it actually helps the case of their clients? Anyone? In fact, maybe they should sue them for non-zealousness (OK I'm totally making that up obviously, but you get the point) because that is about as bad for their case and their standing in general as anything could be. That statement is an epic disaster for Schultz and Curley. Epic. Fucking. Disaster.

 

[Muck]

Way to miss the point of my post btw. Spanier and all those involved will go to jail. Their money will all disappear under the weight of numerous civil actions. The Constitution just allows them to have a lawyer by their side as this happens.

You forget to mention that the money will primarily disappear into the pockets of those same zealous attorneys standing by the sides of the various parties involved.

At the end of the day, as a lawyer, I am a human being first. Fucking sue me.

Every group has it's outliers.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Not to derail the thread, but it seems notable that a lawyer can do a couple things once they pass the bar -

They can be a champion of a system of laws and due process, which incidentally, is exactly what a lawyer is supposed to be in our American system.....

Or...

A lawyer can be a whore.

We can all tell the difference.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

To BL's point.... there have got to be whores who aren't particularly good at their jobs either..

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

Because the founding fathers believed that all people should have the right to counsel to defend themselves against claims and put that into the Bill of Rights, regardless of the mountain of evidence against them? When I have time, I'll reread the constitution, but I don't think it says that you have a right to counsel unless you're a child rapist.

Way to miss the point of my post btw. Spanier and all those involved will go to jail. Their money will all disappear under the weight of numerous civil actions. The Constitution just allows them to have a lawyer by their side as this happens.

Shit. I was just kidding.

Fucking sue me.

Consider it done.

 

[Bucklion]

Shit. I was just kidding.



Consider it done.

You're really on a fucking roll today, bro

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Shit. I was just kidding.



Consider it done.

Do you have any idea how fucking rich I'd be if I had a dollar for every time I thought about punching you in the tits?

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

You're really on a fucking roll today, bro

 

[BuckeyeLiger87]

I feel sick because I am almost more angry at Spanald and Curley than Sandusky. Inhumane for Sandusky [censored]ing horse[Mark May] child molester protecting creeps.