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Devin Gardner (official thread)

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I know a lot of OSU fans are going to be upset about this while most UM fans are going to be gloating. I think Devin is a solid prospect...and will fit in great in UM's system should he end up there. Hopefully the system will do a good job of featuring his talents...right now I see another Justin Siller at Purdue, which is certainly not a knock on Gardner. He has a higher ceiling than Siller...the question is will he get there and in what system.

LJB is right...Montana is "the list".
 
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wadc45;1409674; said:
I know a lot of OSU fans are going to be upset about this while most UM fans are going to be gloating. I think Devin is a solid prospect...and will fit in great in UM's system should he end up there. Hopefully the system will do a good job of featuring his talents...right now I see another Justin Siller at Purdue, which is certainly not a knock on Gardner. He has a higher ceiling than Siller...the question is will he get there and in what system.

LJB is right...Montana is "the list".
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Better arm and more elusive than Siller. Gardner will be good, really good but he'll need sometime. OSU doesn't want to risk it, handing the keys over to him maybe as early as his redshirt freshman year/sophomore year. Way too early, need a kid with more polish.
 
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Buckeyecty4;1409686; said:
Is this Pryor you're referring to?
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I believe that he's talking about Guiton. IMHO, Gardner is every bit as much of a "project" as Guiton, but with better natural athleticism.

Nick Montana has the quarterback skills necessary to compete for the starting job in 2011 (presuming Pryor leaves early), whereas Gardner does not (IMHO). Ohio State doesn't want to be in the position of having two projects (Guiton and Gardner), with a combined three years in the program, duking it out for the starting job circa August of 2011 - you just can't go there and be a consitently successful program (watch UM currently trying this tactic, and tell me if you like it). Now if Tajh Boyd, a much more polished player, had signed with the Buckeyes in 2009, then the staff could have taken a risk on a raw prospect like Gardner in 2010 ... but you simply can't sign projects two years in a row.
 
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Does it ever come into play in recruiting where...

we have a 33% chance of landing Prospect A (primary target) if offered. Prospect A is slightly higher ranked than the next prospect on the list, Prospect B.

we have a 90% chance of landing prospect B, who is a big fan of our team, who needs more seasoning but is a top prospect in his own right. If we offer prospect A, the chances of landing prospect B go down to 20%

Prospect B will likely go to another conference school if not to tOSU, with an axe to grind. whereas Prospect A will not.

Seems like going after prospect A at the expense of Prospect B, is a risky move.

Do schools sometimes go after their second choice, as opposed to better prospect, to simply keep him away from rival schools. essentially taking the safe path as opposed to risk-reward payoff.
 
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For the most part, I like how Tressel is handling the quarterback position at OSU. I like that there is a mixture of kids who are athletically gifted, yet raw passers mixed in with kids that are passers first but who have the mobility to make things happen with their feet if need be. FYI, this was pretty much how he recruited at YSU as well with refined passers like Nick Cochran, Mark Brungard, and Jeff Ryan and athletic guys like Trenton Lykes, Jared Zwick, and Ray Isaac. I also like that Kenny Guiton is on board because teams that recruit only top-rated QBs invariably see holes in their depth charts because of transfers of kids who feel they should be starting. I'm not enthralled with offering just one QB and waiting out his decision, but I agree with the strategy of targetting a refined passer this year. I imagine Robert Bolden may be the back-up plan at this point, as he is known as the more refined passer between he and Gardner (but with less upside).

OSU also has the luxury of knowing that they stand an excellent chance of landing Braxton Miller next year, so that means they would know ahead of time that they are likely to get a great athlete in 2011 that is still unrefined as a passer (Miller may reach that point by then, but right now he is still learning how to pass the ball). Having that knowledge makes targetting a refined passer in the 2010 class that much more of a slam-dunk.
 
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ShakerBuck;1409696; said:
Does it ever come into play in recruiting where...

we have a 33% chance of landing Prospect A (primary target) if offered. Prospect A is slightly higher ranked than the next prospect on the list, Prospect B.

we have a 90% chance of landing prospect B, who is a big fan of our team, who needs more seasoning but is a top prospect in his own right. If we offer prospect A, the chances of landing prospect B go down to 20%

Prospect B will likely go to another conference school if not to tOSU, with an axe to grind. whereas Prospect A will not.

Seems like going after prospect A at the expense of Prospect B, is a risky move.
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Your assumptions concerning "Prospect A's" level of interest in Ohio State are incorrect....

Your assumptions concerning the difference in ranking between "Prospect A" and "Prospect B" are also incorrect....

ShakerBuck;1409696; said:
Do schools sometimes go after their second choice, as opposed to better prospect, to simply keep him away from rival schools. essentially taking the safe path as opposed to risk-reward payoff.
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Maybe some schools would do that, but not Ohio State. You win by getting the best, not by trying to keep the second best away from your rival.
 
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