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Denard "LLL" Robinson (an excellent driver)

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So the Michigan fans wanting Denard benched at the end of his career is comparable to people wanting the 5star supposed can't miss prospect to play before we knew he wasn't as good as the eventual Heisman winner.

Some people try to win arguments by making good arguments. Some people try to win by exhausting the other person by saying as many stupid things as possible. I know which kind of arguer cinci is now.
 
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BuckeyeNation27;2349526; said:
hold up. are you really claiming people were calling for the benching of Braxton Miller and Troy Smith?
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Nope, Smith was put in when Zwick was getting killed as a drop-back, no-run threat at QB. Smith was not the better passer at that point in time, but he had the ability to escape and make plays that Zwick lacked.

I'm guessing that Coach Fickel would have preferred more time to get Miller ready, but Bauserman clearly wasn't the answer and the pocket protection wasn't there.

If there were Michigan fans calling for Robinson to be benched, I didn't hear them, but I do think that Gardner and Toussaint with DR as a slot back made for a much more versatile offense. And I do wonder, as stated, why Hoke didn't go it sooner, in which case instead of knocking DR for doing his job, jump on Hoke for failing to do his.
 
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BuckeyeNation27;2349526; said:
hold up. are you really claiming people were calling for the benching of Braxton Miller and Troy Smith?
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In three cases I can think of, problems in the offensive line/pass blocking package forced Ohio State coaches to bench Zwick, Boeckman and Bauserman before they felt their replacements were fully ready. That may well have been the case with Hoke at Michigan.
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Some people try to win arguments by making good arguments. Some people try to win by exhausting the other person by saying as many stupid things as possible. I know which kind of arguer cinci is now.
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Let me know when I call you names on this list.
 
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Just to add some context to the utter futility of Detard's throwing.


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSPVSjqxZec"]Denard Robinson throws out first pitch at Comerica Park - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVeo6QMcbW4"]Rhythmic gymnast Shin Soo-ji's first pitch - YouTube[/ame]


:lol:
 
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Jaxbuck;2351586; said:
Rhythmic gymnast Shin Soo-ji's first pitch - YouTube
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that bitch was hot. i loved the sticking out the ass part of her wind up.

shit like this above and this one below is how you end up watching rhythmic gymnastics for like a half hour on youtube without even trying. . . .

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dTMeu8qiwU"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dTMeu8qiwU[/ame]
 
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So you see this in the mirror?

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Hairlice's stats after 2 preseason games:

Rushing:
20 att, 61 yds, 3.0 avg, 0 td (Long 9)

Receiving:
2 rec, 16 yds, 8.0 avg, 0 td (Long 9)

Returns:
None

So, they're really going to try him mainly at RB, behind that OL?

Dis gon be gud. :popcorn:
 
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cincibuck;2349524; said:
No disagreement there, not unlike Bauserman, Miller, Boeckman, Pryor, Zwick, Smith. I thought Gardner gave them a much better offense, still a mobile QB and now a way to add ways to get the ball to their best big play back.

So the question becomes why wasn't Gardner ready, or was DR a potential problem maker if Benched? That happens, ask Coop about putting Jackson on the bench for Germaine. But, I wonder more about the strength of the coach than the skill of the player in those situations- It's not DR's fault if Hoke and Bourges can't do their job.


Nice to have some insight on that. Makes me appreciate the Oregon QB of a few years back- Miller?- who was so good at getting the right read - and like DR was prone to injury.

And that's where I probably have the biggest issue with many who posted on this thread. I know that my years as a track coach didn't present the same kinds of injuries, or injury problems as a high school football coach faces, but I wouldn't want to be the coach who put an injured athlete into a contest. I wouldn't want to be a coach who coerced an athlete back into a contest. DR took a lot of hits... and not unlike Braxton Miller, he was out of big games at key moments. But you- as a coach- do not decide when a player is fit for action. That's a call that begins with the player and goes through the trainer or doctor. Likewise, unless someone here has a special access to the Michigan sidelines, we don't know what happened in each instance that DR left a game. Did he want to go back in? Did the trainer/medical staff say no? In the case of the Ohio State game, did Hoke decide his chances were better if he put Gardner on the field w/o DR? We don't know and it's presumptuous to call DR a pussy as a result.

But teams still seek them out. In three cases I can think of, problems in the offensive line/pass blocking package forced Ohio State coaches to bench Zwick, Boeckman and Bauserman before they felt their replacements were fully ready. That may well have been the case with Hoke at Michigan.

And imagine what their offense could have been with Gardner at QB, DR moving between slot back and wide out and Toussaint as the RB. Again, that seems to say more about the strength of the coach than the players involved.
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This was a really good post to read, actually Hoke commented on the Denard at QB vs Gardner. Let me see if I can find it, but I agree looking at what we know now it's easy to state what we would do. Put yourself in Hokes position, what would you do?
 
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germ;2364094; said:
This was a really good post to read, actually Hoke commented on the Denard at QB vs Gardner. Let me see if I can find it, but I agree looking at what we know now it's easy to state what we would do. Put yourself in Hokes position, what would you do?
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probably what he did...ask Mattison and have a couple of donuts as he took notes
 
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