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Denard "LLL" Robinson (an excellent driver)

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matcar;2348108; said:
He was still a good player. Perhaps he wasn't a prototypical QB and he was fragile, but still a good player and not a bad guy. I don't get why Buckeye fans have such a hard time acknowledging that much.
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As usual with your criticism, you're late to the party and you're mischaracterizing what's been said. cinci has said that DR was "great," and his one vs. the board crusade to defend DR has gone much further than saying DR "was a good player."
 
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cincibuck;2348076; said:
Are you aware that Robinson became the regular starter in his sophomore year, ergo 3 years and 3 years.
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Are you aware that you are only able to make that distinction because it took him a year to climb past Tate Forcier on the depth chart? :slappy:

I suppose the next step in this argument will now be for someone to insist that Forcier wasn't a turd either.
 
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Columbus, OH: Gene Smith, Athletic Director for Ohio State University, announced several big changes to the Ohio State football program at a press conference held at the Woody Hayes Athletic Center. "For the past several years we've noticed that the University of Michigan football teams have crossed certain gender and substance boundaries. Once one of the premier programs in Midwestern football, they've begun playing women and fecal matter in lieu of real players."

"I'm concerned," Smith continued, "that the next step may be their introduction of zombies. For those reasons we've decided to drop the Wolverines from our schedule and replace them with the Terrapins of the University of Maryland. Maryland has a national reputation for fielding strong teams that regularly trash their opponents in the ACC as well as an academic reputation that places it among the elite public universities in the world."

The conference room exploded in gasps and laughter and Smith paused for quiet before making his biggest announcement. "Further, because who you play and how your conference performs doesn't matter when you're as good as we are, we've decided to create our own TV network and our own All-Ohio Conference."

Following another explosion of gasps, Smith added, "Over the past 15 seasons we've proven we can regularly defeat any team led by someone with a vagina, or whose body composition is 90% fecal matter. We take great pride in that and have decided that our reputation is such that we're going to limit our competition to teams based in Ohio and our traditional game with the Terrapins."

Ignoring the head scratching and shouts of "WTF!" from among the media members, the Ohio State AD pressed on, "That's the kind of tradition we believe our current fans are looking forward to. We don't want to be mired in the past with Woody, Bo, Fielding Yost, Francis Schmidt, Tom Harmon, Hopalong, and Chic Harley. We're going to take down the retired jerseys of anyone who played prior to 2006 because the past is irrelevant and only gets in our way when we try and talk about how important we are today."

"I look forward to the day Student Princes from Heidelberg run onto Ohio Field. I can see us opening the season against the Yellow Jackets of Baldwin - Wallace at First Energy Field in Cleveland. We'll travel anyplace in Ohio to play someone. Hey. if Notre Dame and Texas can do it, why can't we? Hell yes! We sure think it's time to go it alone."
 
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Jaxbuck;2348106; said:
Why is it so difficult to grasp that many don't feel the same way you do about scUM being good = good for OSU and therefore don't need to over inflate the exploits of this little [Mark May]?

This isn't the 1970's. The 10 year war is over. Bo and Woody are both dead. We don't need a strong scUM anymore than we need any other strong B1G team. OSU's national reputation will be determined by how they start playing in Bowl/Playoff games vs SEC teams. The easier the path to the playoffs the better.
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Being in a tough conference sure hasn't hurt Alabama's chances of winning a National Championship (or three) in recent years. If you want to be the "top dog" you have play, and beat the other "big dogs".

We do need the B1G to be at least competitive; actually the stronger the better. If three teams go undefeated, guess who goes to the BCS Championship game? Probably the two with the stronger schedules. Likewise in 2014 (and beyond) if more than four teams only have one loss, which four goes to the playoff? Probably the four with the stronger schedules.

Also, it is in Ohio State's interest to be in as many TV "prime time" marque B1G games as possible. It makes recruiting a lot easier.

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ScriptOhio;2348153; said:
Being in a tough conference sure hasn't hurt Alabama's chances of winning a National Championship (or three) in recent years. If you want to be the "top dog" you have play, and beat the other "big dogs".

We do need the B1G to be at least competitive; actually the stronger the better. If three teams go undefeated, guess who goes to the BCS Championship game? Probably the two with the stronger schedules. Likewise in 2014 (and beyond) if more than four teams only have one loss, which four goes to the playoff? Probably the four with the stronger schedules.

Also, it is in Ohio State's interest to be in as many TV "prime time" marque B1G games as possible. It makes recruiting a lot easier.

:osu:
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OSU needs little to no help in getting media exposure. The brand is one of the tops in CFB. Anytime OSU has a good team, they will get the prime time games and media hype.

Also, for every SEC example of a strong conference not hurting I can give you 3 (FSU, Nebraska, Miami) mini dynasty's that were built in large part on a really good team playing in a really weak conference. Going back further the 70's and 80's were full of various Big 2 and Little x kind of setups. The modern ESPN aided SEC is the only one I can remember where the schools don't get penalized for losing a late season game.

I look at it the way I look at most things, what gives the best odds for success (because nothing is certain)? A strong scUM may satisfy the nostalgic yearnings for the glory days but it also increases the chances of losing to them. Ditto the rest of the B1G. The pragmatic odds calculating part of me says give me the easiest road to 13-0 possible and take a chance on whatever the playoffs may bring.

IMO we are never going to get the SEC treatment on a one loss team, even if the B1G were tough again, because of ESPN and their obvious, financially driven, bias towards the SEC and B12.
 
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Jaxbuck;2348161; said:
OSU needs little to no help in getting media exposure. The brand is one of the tops in CFB. Anytime OSU has a good team, they will get the prime time games and media hype.

Also, for every SEC example of a strong conference not hurting I can give you 3 (FSU, Nebraska, Miami) mini dynasty's that were built in large part on a really good team playing in a really weak conference. Going back further the 70's and 80's were full of various Big 2 and Little x kind of setups. The modern ESPN aided SEC is the only one I can remember where the schools don't get penalized for losing a late season game.

I look at it the way I look at most things, what gives the best odds for success (because nothing is certain)? A strong scUM may satisfy the nostalgic yearnings for the glory days but it also increases the chances of losing to them. Ditto the rest of the B1G. The pragmatic odds calculating part of me says give me the easiest road to 13-0 possible and take a chance on whatever the playoffs may bring.

IMO we are never going to get the SEC treatment on a one loss team, even if the B1G were tough again, because of ESPN and their obvious, financially driven, bias towards the SEC and B12.
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Then put the Bucks in the MAC. Roll out the undefeated seasons, set up the playoff invites...

Care to tell us where you stand on Boise State and why?
 
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cincibuck;2348164; said:
Then put the Bucks in the MAC. Roll out the undefeated seasons, set up the playoff invites...

Care to tell us where you stand on Boise State and why?
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So you think Boise State compares to Ohio State? I think there's the source of most of your problems on this issue. They aren't even in the same stratosphere. Beyond that, a "down" Big Ten is still significantly stronger than the garbage that Boise State coasted through in their BCS buster heyday.

Try again because that comparison is a non starter.
 
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"What I did was put vasoline on, a lot of vasoline," Robinson said...
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cincibuck;2348164; said:
Then put the Bucks in the MAC. Roll out the undefeated seasons, set up the playoff invites...

Care to tell us where you stand on Boise State and why?
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I think that if Boise had 100+ years of winning tradition, one of the top 5 brands in all of CFB and were members of a BCS conference I would be pissed that they were going to have such an easy road to the playoffs every year. Needless to say I don't think the people in the Boise camp would give a flying fuck what I or anyone else thought about it as long as they got in. Not everyone is in search of ESPN/mainstream media approval to validate their program.

As far as the MAC goes, our Bucks have been in a conference that is literally just a notch above it for the better part of the past 8 years. OSU has played for 2 NC's in that time and only their own missteps have caused them to miss others.

Again I say, the fate of OSU's national perception is in its own hands. Win Bowl games head to head vs the SEC and it will improve. Continue to lose them and it will not.
 
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