Decanonized Mythologized Disgraced Ped State Monster Coach Joe Paterno (Zombie Icon)

[LightningRod]

The State has until the victim's 50th birthday to file in PA. LINK EDIT - The SOL for filing a civil case by the victims is 12 years from the victim's 18th birthday. LINK

 

[JXC]

Paterno and Penn State apparently knew in 1999 when the "retirement" of Jerry Sandusky happened. Then they saw fit to sit and watch him run a foundation (of potential victims) right under their noses. When the monster was caught red-handed in 2002 they again turned the other cheek.

They should all burn in hell for letting this happen right under their noses.

Is the fact or speculation? If Paterno knew of this for sure in 1999 then it changes things in my opinion.

 

[Muck]

I do not know if they have damage caps or if sovereign immunity applies to a state college up there.

PA is a sovereign immunity state...but the question remains, does Penn State qualify?

They have made the argument in the past that they are not subject to FOIA requests because they are a private rather than commonwealth school. That could really come back and bite them in the ass.

From their own website...

Myth: Penn State is state-owned and operated.

Fact: Penn State is "state-related." It was incorporated in 1855 as a private entity but the Board of Trustees included representatives of state government, including the governor. The state legislature in 1863 named Penn State the Commonwealth?s sole land-grant institution, a designation that gave the University a broad mission of teaching, research, and public service. The legislature only occasionally granted funds to Penn State during the early years but since 1887 has made appropriations on a regular basis.

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Is the fact or speculation? If Paterno knew of this for sure in 1999 then it changes things in my opinion.

The University absolutely knew. They had campus cops listening in on Sandusky's 'confession' for pete's sake.

There is no direct evidence that proves that Paterno knew but I find it almost impossible to believe that he didn't.

 

[Jake]

The University absolutely knew. They had campus cops listening in on Sandusky's 'confession' for pete's sake.

There is no direct evidence that proves that Paterno knew but I find it almost impossible to believe that he didn't.

If campus police were investigating his defensive coordinator you can bet your ass Paterno was aware of it.

Not that anyone would want to win your ass...






...maybe Jerry Sandusky, but that's it.

 

[LightningRod]

One PA firm is all over this.

 

[Dryden]

Spanier, Curley, Schultz, and Paterno knew Sandusky was being investigated by the end of last year or beginning of this year, because they each had personally testified before Grand Jury (Paterno & MMcQ in Dec 2010, Curley & Schultz in Jan 2011, and Spanier in Apr 2011). That part of the timeline is not in dispute. Did they know in 1998, 2000, 2002, or whenever? Nobody is certain. But we know they knew by the beginning of this year.

Yet, up until the day he was arrested, Sandusky still had access to campus and the Lasch Building. Further, the eleventh hour assembly of the BOT and days-long delay between the news breaking and them issuing a response indicates the lengths to which Spanier, Curley, Schultz, and Paterno tried to bury this, or ignore it.

To me, there is simply no other conclusion you can reach. When the head football coach and AD are taking trips out of town to testify before a grand jury on multiple sexual assault charges against an assistant coach emeritus that remains on campus, shouldn't the BOT be informed of that? Wouldn't the BOT like to know about the University President being out of town for a court appointment in a sex scandal investigation? Wouldn't university counsel be involved? When you're getting negative press in March & April from the Patriot-News of a brewing scandal, don't you bring that to the attention of the trustees?

It boggles the mind.

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

Excellent article by Stewart Mandel.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/11/11/penn-state-joe-paterno-culture/index.html?sct=cf_t11_a1

The mess at Penn State has illustrated the danger of putting successful coaches on pedestals.

At Penn State, Paterno had all the power. President Graham Spanier and athletic director Tim Curley were technically his bosses, but they held as much sway over him as the guys selling hot dogs at Beaver Stadium on Saturdays.

 

[zincfinger]

Spanier, Curley, Schultz, and Paterno knew Sandusky was being investigated by the end of last year or beginning of this year, because they each had personally testified before Grand Jury (Paterno & MMcQ in Dec 2010, Curley & Schultz in Jan 2011, and Spanier in Apr 2011). That part of the timeline is not in dispute. Did they know in 1998, 2000, 2002, or whenever? Nobody is certain. But we know they knew by the beginning of this year.

Yet, up until the day he was arrested, Sandusky still had access to campus and the Lasch Building. Further, the eleventh hour assembly of the BOT and days-long delay between the news breaking and them issuing a response indicates the lengths to which Spanier, Curley, Schultz, and Paterno tried to bury this, or ignore it.

To me, there is simply no other conclusion you can reach. When the head football coach and AD are taking trips out of town to testify before a grand jury on multiple sexual assault charges against an assistant coach emeritus that remains on campus, shouldn't the BOT be informed of that? Wouldn't the BOT like to know about the University President being out of town for a court appointment in a sex scandal investigation? Wouldn't university counsel be involved? When you're getting negative press in March & April from the Patriot-News of a brewing scandal, don't you bring that to the attention of the trustees?

It boggles the mind.

This is an excellent point, and one that I hadn't seen anyone raise until now.

I personally feel pretty confident that Paterno, the unquestioned king of Penn State football, if not of central PA, knew about it when his DC was investigated for child molestation in 1998. But, to answer JXC, that is still within the realm of speculation.

However, we all know, for a 100% stone-cold fact, that Paterno knew of multiple, serious, graphic, and credible allegations of child molestation against Sandusky as of last winter/spring at the latest. And yet the guy was still given access to PSU football facilities until, what, two weeks ago? There aren't really any "McQueary lied, JoePa died", or media-conspiracy defenses to that.

 

[WolverineMike]

Central Michigan fans were chanting "We want JoePa" and sign saying the same thing was confiscated at their game last night.

 

[BB73]

Is the fact or speculation? If Paterno knew of this for sure in 1999 then it changes things in my opinion.

There's a link to a 36-minute radio segment on page 1 of the Sandusky thread that discusses the environment at Penn State, and the likelihood of what Paterno would know.

I added the link to that radio interview and the 23-page grand jury presentment to the first post in that thread so they could always be easy to locate.

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

Just saw this posted on FB....

Puts JoePa in somewhat of a better light...I guess...

New information I just received. From a friend of the DA and information NOT in the Grand Jury Indictment (but presented to the grand jury in testimony): Joe followed up with both Schultz and Curley 3 days after reporting the information... to them in 2002. He was told it was being handled and investigated. 3 months later he followed up with Schultz (VP and head of the Campus Police) and was told that the police and the DA were not going to pursue. In response, Joe was pissed and wanted Sandusky banned from campus. He was told by administrators that he didn't have that power. Joe then said that as the football coach he could ban Sandusky from all football facilities, which is what what happened. The university let him maintain an office in non-football facilities and still work out.

Still begs the question, if JoePa had knowledge of deplorable criminal behavior by his long time friend/asst., why wouldn't he both confront him and/or report it directly to the police?

 

[y0yoyoin]

Just saw this posted on FB....

Puts JoePa in somewhat of a better light...I guess...



Still begs the question, if JoePa had knowledge of deplorable criminal behavior by his long time friend/asst., why wouldn't he both confront him and/or report it directly to the police?

Exactly...i call bull shit...if joe followed up more then once then he obviously believed mcqueary's story...and knowing why Sandusky was gone by 1998 then he should of went to the police about it instead...the fact sandusky was even allowed on penn st grounds period is mind boggling

 

[colobuck79]

Just saw this posted on FB....

Puts JoePa in somewhat of a better light...I guess...



Still begs the question, if JoePa had knowledge of deplorable criminal behavior by his long time friend/asst., why wouldn't he both confront him and/or report it directly to the police?

That quote makes it look like Joe didn't have much power in the organization. I have a hard time believing that. Especially during the early 2000's timeframe. My guess is that this scenario is somebody's wishful thinking. Something like this, however, would explain Joe's reported eagerness to talk and PSU's reluctance to let him talk. Your last point still stands. He had other avenues.

 

[LightningRod]

Did Joe follow up when he saw Victim 4 in tow with Jerry during Alamo Bowl week? Did he follow up when these kids appeared at practices after 2002? That story is pure bullshit. Sorry, no pass for Paterno.

 

[zincfinger]

Just saw this posted on FB....

(Paterno followed up and, at least, made sure Sandusky was excluded from PSU football facilities)

Puts JoePa in somewhat of a better light...I guess...

Victim 1 testified that he was 11 or 12 years old when he met Sandusky through The Second Mile program in 2005 or 2006...Sandusky took Victim 1 to professional and college sporting events, such as...pre-season practices at Penn State.

I hope the account you found of Paterno's conduct is true, but there's obvious reason to be skeptical.