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Decanonized Mythologized Disgraced Ped State Monster Coach Joe Paterno (Zombie Icon)

LightningRod;2033435; said:
Did Joe follow up when he saw Victim 4 in tow with Jerry during Alamo Bowl week? Did he follow up when these kids appeared at practices after 2002? That story is pure bullshit. Sorry, no pass for Paterno.

And if anybody has not listened to the Kim Jones interview, the 2007 practice was a closed practice. This isn't Jerry Sandusky taking a little boy to the perimeter of a large field to watch from afar on some empty bleachers.

If the head coach does not approve of your attendance at a closed practice, you are shown the door.
 
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LightningRod;2033435; said:
Did Joe follow up when he saw Victim 4 in tow with Jerry during Alamo Bowl week? Did he follow up when these kids appeared at practices after 2002? That story is pure bullshit. Sorry, no pass for Paterno.

Spot on. Sandusky is investigated in 1998. He retires in June 1999. I think at this point JoePa knows about the investigation and Sandusky is forced to retire. Sandusky then brings a boy with him down to the Alamo Bowl. This does not raise any red flags with JoePa? I think there was an agreement between Joe and Jerry that Joe would look the other way and Jerry would not go whistleblower on the whole program.
 
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Dryden;2033381; said:
Spanier, Curley, Schultz, and Paterno knew Sandusky was being investigated by the end of last year or beginning of this year, because they each had personally testified before Grand Jury (Paterno & MMcQ in Dec 2010, Curley & Schultz in Jan 2011, and Spanier in Apr 2011). That part of the timeline is not in dispute. Did they know in 1998, 2000, 2002, or whenever? Nobody is certain. But we know they knew by the beginning of this year.

Yet, up until the day he was arrested, Sandusky still had access to campus and the Lasch Building. Further, the eleventh hour assembly of the BOT and days-long delay between the news breaking and them issuing a response indicates the lengths to which Spanier, Curley, Schultz, and Paterno tried to bury this, or ignore it..

zincfinger;2033401; said:
This is an excellent point, and one that I hadn't seen anyone raise until now.

Agreed.

I hadn't thought about that angle yet either.
 
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LightningRod;2033346; said:
The State has until the victim's 50th birthday to file in PA. LINK EDIT - The SOL for filing a civil case by the victims is 12 years from the victim's 18th birthday. LINK
Apparently they enacted a revision of the law since the first kids were abused that extended the time as you say. If the abuse happened before august of 2002, then the kid has two years from then they turn 18. That is what I heard a lawyer for one of the kids talking about.

Thanks for the link.
 
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Gatorubet;2033715; said:
Thanks for the link.

It also touches on the Sovereign Immunity issue...

Sovereign Immunity
The issue of Sovereign governmental immunity is a complex one and far beyond the scope of a single blog post. At its core, sovereign immunity states that the state or agencies of the state cannot be sued for damages to citizens of the state. The state can and has waived its immunity in limited circumstances. There are multiple issues with any case against Penn State or its officials relative to immunity. Penn State is a public University and it will likely be argued that as an instrumentality of the Commonwealth it is completely immune from suit by these victims. It should be noted however that this debate is far from simple and other public universities in Pennsylvania have failed to make similar arguments based on their independent operations apart from the government and lack of a truly public or governmental function.

With regard to the University officials themselves, such as Joe Paterno, Tim Curley, Gary Schultz and Graham Spanier, the issue appears to fit squarely within the rubric of Pennsylvania?s Tort Claims Act. Specifically section 8550 which states in relevant part:

?In any action against a local agency or employee thereof for damages on account of an injury caused by the act of the employee in which it is judicially determined that the act of the employee caused the injury and that such act constituted a crime, actual fraud, actual malice or willful misconduct, the provisions of sections 8545 (relating to official liability generally), 8546 (relating to defense of official immunity), 8548 (relating to indemnity) and 8549 (relating to limitation on damages) shall not apply.?

Obviously, the debate in this provision will be whether or not the silence and inaction of the University officials ?caused the injury,? but I think a cogent argument can certainly be made for that proposition. Certainly, this case will test our collective souls. It will also put on display, as it has already, the interplay between justice and power. While the State of Pennsylvania has the power to create laws to protect itself, its institutions and officials, in a democratic society that power can be easily threatened by a public rightfully demanding justice for those who were truly powerless in this situation.
 
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NFBuck;2033719; said:
Interesting. That coaching search isn't going to be a cakewalk by any means. With this scandel looming, nobody with better options is going to want that job.
Penn State fans are almost certain that Urban Meyer is going to lead State Penn to 'the promise land'.. They're in for a reality check..
 
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