Decanonized Mythologized Disgraced Ped State Monster Coach Joe Paterno (Zombie Icon)

[sepia5]

You are entitled to opinion just as I am and so are the mods. the one thing I won't do is condemn them without proof. You got any?

Hey, believe what you want to believe. I'm not expressly condemning the PSU program here by any means, but I do think JoePa often gets unfair passes as a result of some aura that he seems to have developed somewhere along the line. His support of the women's basketball coach at PSU (who he hired in the first place) that was apparently screening out gay players during the recruitment process and making public and private homophobic comments (Women's Hoops Blog), his questionable comments about the A.J. Nicholson rape case (College Football: Joe Paterno's Slip Of Tongue (Ugh)), the rash of PSU arrests of late (but he made them clean the stadium!), the nepotism that is JayPa, and the rumors I've heard from those that I trust about PSU's negative recruiting tactics are enough to make me believe JoePa wouldn't be above putting recruits' concerns to rest by telling them someone on the staff is going to take over even when no such plan is yet in place. I mean, again, if that were the case, it would be a win-win situation to just go ahead and announce his replacement publicly like FSU did with Jimbo Fisher.

 

[brutus2002]

I hope he coaches PSU FOREVER!!!!!! Heck he might as well be paid by JT as our recruiting coordinator.

 

[Buckeye Nut]

Turning the program over to a long-time assistant never works, so I hope they do give it to Bradley.

 

[Muck]

I just don't think Paterno would say that without having some reason to say it.. just my opinion..

I have no doubt JoePa 100% believes what he is telling the recruits.

That doesn't mean the administration will stick to it once they push him kicking and screaming out the back door.

 

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I have no doubt JoePa 100% believes what he is telling the recruits.

That doesn't mean the administration will stick to it once they push him kicking and screaming out the back door.

And this is exactly what I think. JoePa shows all the signs of someone who believes PSU football is his program, and that the administration owes him. I mean, this is a guy that would have a three year extension right now if it was up to him. Now, we could probably debate whether he actually is owed something and/or should be allowed to leave on his own terms all day until we're blue in the face, but my opinion--JUST SPECULATING HERE--is that JoePa may well believe he's going to get to pick his successor. Either way, if there isn't a successor in place, I think it's wrong to be telling recruits anything to the contrary. Again, if a successor from the staff had been decided upon, I can't think of a single reason to keep that decision private as opposed to announcing it publicly and reaping all the benefits of stability.

 

[jwinslow]

Audibles

Since the 3 very disappointing years to end the 1990's, Penn State's national standing {ie wins and losses} versus those thought of as "college football mediocrity" {think Purdue} is as follows:

Penn State: 55 wins, 42 losses
Ohio State: 81-20 {including 6-2 vs. PSU}
Michigan 73-27 {6-0 vs. PSU}

Iowa 60-39
Purdue 58-42 {last Rose Bowl 2000 season}
South Carolina 54-42
Arkansas 58-42
Texas Tech 65-37 {unbelievable}
Texas A&M 53-44
Maryland 61-37 {just pathetic on so many levels}
BC 71-30 {8 straight bowl wins, higher grad rate too}
Virginia 57-43 {Huh?}
Arizona St. 56-43
Oregon St 63-36
UCLA 56-43
Pitt 55-42 {oh good lord, Joe. What have you done?}
Cincinnati 55-44 {stop the nonsense, Graham. Please}

Something happened to the PSU Staff in 2000, but I can't remember.

So all Happy Jacks and JoePa/Spud jock sniffers: Look at this list full of college football has-beens/crap programs and see where PSU stands since our recruits were in 4th grade.

I love Penn State, not Joe Paterno.

This whole millenium has been one big disappointment after another, except 2005.
2002, 2006, 2007 : lost to every decent team we played.
2000, 2001, 2003, 2004 : PSU power. Lost to everyone.
2005 : hillbilly from Bellefonte won the Powerball.

2008: The madness must end.



I mean look at that list, and think of our recruits ages' during those years. None of our recruits remember PSU football, except 2005, b/c they were in diapers. Rose bowl in 1994. The recruits hadn't hit pre-school.

 

[Taosman]

Somebody retired/left the PSU staff in 2000 I believe. Was thought to be the heir aparent?

 

[Buckeye Nut]

Somebody retired/left the PSU staff in 2000 I believe. Was thought to be the heir aparent?

Wasn't that about the time Jerry Sandusky retired? I'm not sure if that's who they're referring to or not.

 

[Dryden]

FWIW:

From 1993 (year Penn State joined the Big-10) to 1999, when Fran Ganter was the OC, QB coach, and the 'heir apparent' who had groomed everyone from Blackledge to Kerry Collins and Mike McQueary, PSU was 70-16.

From 2000 (year Joe Pa gave son Jay Paterno Fran Ganter's job, even though Ganter wasn't going anywhere) to present, PSU is 55-42. Honestly, it took ripping everything back out of Jay Pa's hands and handing the offense over to Galen Hall and McQueary three years ago just to rescue them from the 26-33 record they posted from 2000-2004.

Nepotism reigns supreme!

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

Nepotism reigns supreme!

This chump agrees:

 

[ScriptOhio]

Report: JoePa tells recruits successor is on staff

Updated: July 2, 2008, 12:42 AM EST

If it listens to its legendary coach, Penn State won't have to look very far for Joe Paterno's successor.

Paterno has assured recruits that when he retires, his replacement will be someone already on his staff, according to a report by the Altoona (Pa.) Mirror.
''Mr. Paterno told me himself that his replacement is already within the staff, so he'll just bring one new guy in and bump everybody up in the ranks,'' Nittany Lion LB recruit Mike Yancich said, according to the report. ''Coaching stability is not going to be any big deal at Penn State." While Paterno's current contract ends at the end of this season, there have been no reports that the second-winningest major college coach of all time will call it a career.

Entire article: FOX Sports on MSN - COLLEGE FOOTBALL --

 

[Jaxbuck]

I bet the Nits boards are absolutely apoplectic.


I can't tell you what a warm fuzzy feeling I get when I think of the next 5 years or so in the midwest.

CW at the helm in South Bend, Dick Rod in AA and one of Joe Pa's current staff running the show in Happy Valley all the while JT is in Columbus with his machine in full gear.

Great times to be a Buckeye.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

I bet the Nits boards are absolutely apoplectic.


I can't tell you what a warm fuzzy feeling I get when I think of the next 5 years or so in the midwest.

CW at the helm in South Bend, Dick Rod in AA and one of Joe Pa's current staff running the show in Happy Valley all the while JT is in Columbus with his machine in full gear.

Great times to be a Buckeye.

You know I agree with you...

BUT


Part of that deal is that the Big Ten will continue to be down as long as the coaching at the big name schools is down.

The big difference between the Big Ten and the SEC right now is in coaching. There's no denying it.

It's the reason that JT, clearly one of the best in the business, can win outright Big Ten titles in two years ('06 and '07) when the team was rebuilding, talent-wise. But it's also part of the reason that the conference has a black eye right now.

Back to my original point: I agree with you that on balance this is a good thing. I'd much rather dominate the Big Ten than not. And if the team does what I expect this year and in January, the reputation of the conference will be of no importance to us whatsoever.

 

[Jaxbuck]

You know I agree with you...

BUT


Part of that deal is that the Big Ten will continue to be down as long as the coaching at the big name schools is down.

The big difference between the Big Ten and the SEC right now is in coaching. There's no denying it.

It's the reason that JT, clearly one of the best in the business, can win outright Big Ten titles in two years ('06 and '07) when the team was rebuilding, talent-wise. But it's also part of the reason that the conference has a black eye right now.

Back to my original point: I agree with you that on balance this is a good thing. I'd much rather dominate the Big Ten than not. And if the team does what I expect this year and in January, the reputation of the conference will be of no importance to us whatsoever.

I can understand that POV but I'd rather just dominate a weak B10 and take our chances OOC.

All the great recent "dynastys" had that model we are just the ones the media has decided to crucify for it.

90's-early 2000's Nebraska, FSU and Miami all played in weaker conferences than the B10 is right now.

USC's run has coincided with a pretty underwhelming Pac10 since 2002.

I still can't figure out why we have to make apologies but I don't really care. As long as we take care of business its better to have the easier road to a NC chance every year than the harder one.

 

[Dryden]

You know I agree with you...

BUT


Part of that deal is that the Big Ten will continue to be down as long as the coaching at the big name schools is down.

The big difference between the Big Ten and the SEC right now is in coaching. There's no denying it.

Yeah ... but ... I think the strength of conference thing is overdone. If OSU takes care of their own business in the title games, this is a complete non-factor, especially in light of Michigan, Wisconsin, and Penn State all beating SEC teams in bowls in the past two years.

Miami was never penalized for being in a weak Big East, and Florida State was never docked style points for being the best football program in a basketball conference. All it took was one convincing win over a highly ranked OOC opponent (usually Florida for each of them) and a good bowl performance.

Midwestern kids aren't going to switch conferences, they'll just switch allegiances within the Big 10. If U-M is down, MSU will be stronger. One of either Iowa or Wisconsin will be strong, and Illinois will soon be a serious contender too.