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You know what I noticed in that Gholston highlight film from youtube? I noticed Jake Long needing/getting help with Heyward on a lot of snaps.

Back to Gholston. The Sporting News' (one of anyway) draft expert appears to be a bit of an ass clown. His website touts his expertise by pointing out a handful of times he was right and the league was wrong. He's been downgrading Gholston, at least since OSU's pro-day.

I don't remember Gholston taking a whole lot of plays off last season, but I do remember him being too tough to tackle. If he'd have just gone down while being tackled a few of those times, someone might have been called for holding.
 
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3074326;1141692; said:
Good move.

You did say three analysts, Wingo is quite the opposite. :tongue2:
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Take off the "ysts" and that's what Wingo is.

Which ESPN analysts said this? Mark Schlereth, Mike Golic and Kiper? Or Mortensen, Kiper, and Jaws?

Bottom line, Trey Wingo is an elitist prick and doesn't know a damn thing about football. Checkers, maybe, but not football. This is the same d-bag who was on Ohio State's case a few years back with the whole Clarett ordeal, but has been silent on the Reggie Bush/USC soap opera.

Trey Wingo - go away. You are such a douche.

Vern has the potential to be a dominant DL/LB hybrid at the next level and I for one, hope to hell he proves everyone wrong. If that makes him overrated, then the entire top 10 is overrated.

The only true lock I see at the next level is Jake Long and VG and Little Ironhead whooped his ass last November.
 
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Thursday, April 17, 2008
NFL draft: Defensive linemen
Next level awaits Gholston
Cass Tech graduate a defensive latecomer
Mike O'Hara / The Detroit News

Anyone who saw Vernon Gholston's last Big Ten game would find it hard to believe his high school coaches didn't play him on defense until his senior season.

He didn't have the all-out, fiery disposition the staff at Detroit Cass Tech High wanted.

"Vernon wasn't that type of player," Cass coach Thomas Wilcher said. "They didn't think he was tough enough, aggressive enough."

That changed in a hurry.

Gholston, an all-state guard, moved to linebacker in his senior season and began wrecking offenses. It was a preview of what he accomplished at Ohio State.
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Next level awaits Gholston

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Getting to the quarterback is a rush for Vernon Gholston
By RANDY COVITZ
The Kansas City Star

The NFL playoffs demonstrated the surest way to a championship is to get to the quarterback.

San Diego?s pressure rattled Tom Brady in the AFC championship game, forcing him to throw a season-most three interceptions. And the New York Giants? harassment of Brady produced five sacks and a Super Bowl championship.

That?s where Ohio State defensive end Vernon Gholston comes in. He and Virginia?s Chris Long are considered the premier pass rushers in the upcoming NFL draft.

Gholston tied Long for third in the nation with a school-record 14 sacks for minus-111 yards last season, and most impressively, recorded the only sack against Michigan tackle Jake Long last season. It was one of three sacks Gholston had in the game against the Wolverines.

?That was a big battle for me,? said Gholson, the Big Ten?s Defensive Lineman of the season. ?I know, going back to the previous year, he was tough competition. He kicked back in pass protection, and it was tough for me to get around him.

?So coming into the game, I really focused on that and learned some new techniques to get better hands on him, and it worked.?

Gholston, a 6-3, 266-pounder, didn?t want to reveal any secrets on how he beat Long.

?Just waited for the right moment,? he smiled. ?Nothing special, you know. The biggest thing was speed.?
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www.kansascity.com | 04/16/2008 | Getting to the quarterback is a rush for Vernon Gholston
 
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I can't remember the last time a player got questioned so much for how he got 14 sacks in a season. The bottom line is he got 14 sacks -- I don't care if half of them came in 2 games (2 of the toughest opponents, with the best offensive lines, on our schedule).

What we Ohio State fans know is that despite having the most NFL talent of any Big Ten team for the past several years, teams with lesser talent mysteriously don't get called for holding on our defensive linemen.

Gholston got held like a son of a bitch this past season and still earned 14 sacks.
 
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So they are railing against the dude because he lacks good technique and takes plays off yet STILL was able to get 14 sacks, including the only one registered against the consesus top OT in the draft? Maybe my logic is warped here, but doesn't that make his 14 sacks even more impressive, since his technique was obviously terrible and he supposedly took so many plays off.
 
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BengalsAndBucks;1142409; said:
So they are railing against the dude because he lacks good technique and takes plays off yet STILL was able to get 14 sacks, including the only one registered against the consesus top OT in the draft? Maybe my logic is warped here, but doesn't that make his 14 sacks even more impressive, since his technique was obviously terrible and he supposedly took so many plays off.
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Thinking back to last season, VG was asked within tOSU defensive schemes to drop into pass coverage as a leo.
At the time I questioned how profficient that strategy was, because on those occasions, VG's skill was underutilized, i.e. getting upfield, disrupting the backfiled, pressuring QB vs. dropping into zone coverage or locking onto TEs, Rbs, etc.
If this is the criticism Wingo et.al. are railing/suggesting--taking plays off, lacking good technique, IMHO, they can make a soft case but very weak argument.
VG will improve in the league in these "obviously terrible" technique areas esp. if he is used as a LB in a 3-4 defensive scheme.
As the Giants showed however, the value of the skills VG brings to the league are priority one.
 
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Tlangs;1142277; said:
Trey Wingo < Trey McNeil
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McKneel'd

They need to show the videos of Gholston taking plays off, because from what I remember, his motor was always on. He should apologize for his 14 sacks!

It's also lame that they have to attack someone's abilities because teams liked his combine numbers. If he didn't have 14 sacks, I might have a different opinion here, but.. he had 14 sacks.
 
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JohnnyCockfight;1142239; said:
I can't remember the last time a player got questioned so much for how he got 14 sacks in a season.
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Terrell Suggs of Arizona State comes to mind. He got a record 22 sacks for ASU, and then went #10 overall to the Ravens in the 2003 draft. He is a slightly similar version of Vernon. He was also the defensive rookie-of-the-year and made the Pro Bowl in his second year, so it worked out for Baltimore. :wink2:
 
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BB73;1143003; said:
Terrell Suggs of Arizona State comes to mind. He got a record 22 sacks for ASU, and then went #10 overall to the Ravens in the 2003 draft. He is a slightly similar version of Vernon. He was also the defensive rookie-of-the-year and made the Pro Bowl in his second year, so it worked out for Baltimore. :wink2:
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No doubt on Terrell Suggs; he was a winner period. I should have clarified my point though - I think they are reverse situations. Gholston is lauded for his combine workout but questioned for his on-the-field performance, whereas Suggs was questioned for his combine workout but lauded for his on-the-field performance. Both criticisms are, in my opinion, misplaced.

I have been hearing the talking heads on the radio this week, led by Mike Golic, criticizing Gholston for dissapearing in games. In support of that argument, they claimed that Gholston got most of his sacks in 2 games, and was a mediocre player in the other 10. Golic went so far as to say that Gholston only got one sack against Jake Long, so Gholston's performance in the Michigan game wasn't really that great (apparently only sacks against Jake Long count in that game).

My memory of Terrell Suggs was that he was a monster on the field every week in college, but that he put up poor combine numbers - both slow and weak. Also, I think Suggs' playing weight in college was more like 235, so teams didn't know how his game would translate to the NFL playing at a heavier weight on the line.
 
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Draft Analysis: Vernon Gholston, DE, Ohio State Buckeyes
April 18, 2008
18:19:20

By Charles Roberts
Edited by Herija C. Green


In a time where the country nears recession, the term "stock rising" is certainly one that turns heads. In the football circles, it means the 2008 NFL Draft is around the corner. For former Ohio State defensive end Vernon Gholston it means, "Show me the money!" Gholston's stock has sky-rocketed, following a standout senior season, as well as impressive showings at both the 2008 NFL Scouting Combine and Ohio State's Pro Day.

Initially recruited as a linebacker in 2004, Gholston was converted to defensive end shortly after arriving in camp. He didn't see much action his freshman year, while a broken hand in 2005's season opener eventually led to being granted a medical hardship and redshirted. In 2006, as a sophomore, Gholston finally received a chance to strut his stuff. He started in 13 games, where he finished second on the team with 15 stops behind the line of scrimmage and 7.5 sacks while also amassing 49 tackles. His efforts earned him Second-Team All-Big Ten honors.

Last season he was a key component in a Ohio State defense that led the nation in total defense (233 yards per game), scoring defense (12.8 points per game) and pass defense (150 yards per game) while finishing third in rushing defense (83 yards per game). His 14 sacks set a single-season team record, while it tied for third in the nation. One of the best defensive players in college football last season, Gholston was named to the Associated Press' All-American second-team.
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KFFL - Article - Draft Analysis: Vernon Gholston, DE, Ohio State Buckeyes
 
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