DE Nick Bosa (Pro Bowl, All Pro, 2019 ROY, 2022 DPOY, San Francisco 49ers)

[Bestbuck36]

If he's getting a ton of playing time in the two deep or, gasp starting, he would be one of the best Buckeye Dlineman of all time potentially. Potentially.

I think Sam Hubbard is going to bust onto the scene this fall and claim an All BiG or higher accolade or two. The other side is solidly manned as well with Lewis starting and having the most experience on the field. It's behind them that are completely unproven and where young Bosa might take playing time away. If he starts it means the Buckeyes defense is less ready than we hoped in the front 7; or Nick is the second coming!

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

The ones who've already contributed to the team at the collegiate level. He could be the 5th DE and still see a nice amount of time. I just don't know why people think it's such a forgone conclusion that he's going to leap over established guys.

So, the small amount of time that Jalyn Holmes has contributed on the field will override the world-class talent of Nick? The only DEs we have for 2016 who have seen significant PT, and can considered "established", are Hubbard and Lewis. Holmes came in for mop-up and some spell time, and the only other DE I recall seeing the field at all was Darius Slade. There's no way that Bosa V2 is the 5th DE. By the end of the season, Hubbard and Lewis had better be looking over their shoulder...

 

[buchtelgrad04]

So, the small amount of time that Jalyn Holmes has contributed on the field will override the world-class talent of Nick? The only DEs we have for 2016 who have seen significant PT, and can considered "established", are Hubbard and Lewis. Holmes came in for mop-up and some spell time, and the only other DE I recall seeing the field at all was Darius Slade. There's no way that Bosa V2 is the 5th DE. By the end of the season, Hubbard and Lewis had better be looking over their shoulder...

"World-class talent" seems a bit lofty, for a high school senior, no? Why is there "no way" that those who are already ahead of him can't stay ahead of him? He's not coming into the same type of DE group that his brother came into and it still took him almost half the season to really get on track. Sam Hubbard has been tabbed as a guy who should've played as a true freshman because he won't be around long. Tyquan, with 8 sacks and 14 TFLs, isn't losing his spot.

Do you know what you're asking of a true freshman coming off an ACL injury? DE is one of the most loaded spots on the roster. I'd make more of an argument that he'd have a better chance of unseating someone at 3 tech.

 

[akronbuck]

His brother kicked Bennet and Washington inside and they turned out alright

 

[Hstead]

I said early on in this thread I expect him to get a lot of PT next year and possibly start. Several made fun of that comment back then. Now Urban is saying something similar.

I am a fan of Hubbard, but there was an incredible drop off when he played the rest of the game when Joey went out. I do not think Hubbard is anywhere in the same zip code as Joey. Now after spring, maybe Hubbard improves quite a bit. I can see Nick challenging for PT no problem. He is incredibly elite and his body is ready for college football.

Also, the ACL was a partial tear which is a big difference from a full tear.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

"World-class talent" seems a bit lofty, for a high school senior, no? Why is there "no way" that those who are already ahead of him can't stay ahead of him? He's not coming into the same type of DE group that his brother came into and it still took him almost half the season to really get on track. Sam Hubbard has been tabbed as a guy who should've played as a true freshman because he won't be around long. Tyquan, with 8 sacks and 14 TFLs, isn't losing his spot.

Joey was a consensus Frosh All-American in 2013, and everyone has said Nick is better. Joey was never really "off track" this season, seeing as he was getting double- and triple-teamed almost every play. The two teams near the end of the year that didn't do so (Michigan and Notre Dame) got tore up by Joey. Lewis can attribute much of his sack and TFL totals to opponents focusing on Joey. And if you think Hubbard, as pleasant a surprise he's been at DE, is better than Nick Bosa, you're sorely mistaken. It's likely just a matter of which of those guys spot he ends up taking by mid-season, if not earlier.

Do you know what you're asking of a true freshman coming off an ACL injury? DE is one of the most loaded spots on the roster. I'd make more of an argument that he'd have a better chance of unseating someone at 3 tech.

As @Hstead posted above, it's a partial tear. He'll likely be nearly 100% by the fall. And I'm not sure where you get that DE is one of the "most loaded spots on the roster." We have only four players returning who have even seen the field at DE (Hubbard, Lewis, Holmes, and Slade), two of whom played sparingly. There are three others who played DE in high school (Cornell, Jones, and Thompson) but have filled out to where they may not be as quick as they were, and certainly won't challenge Nick. The rest of the DL are pretty much set as tackles (Alabi, Hamilton, Hill, Landers, Munger, Sprinkle). So, we have 4 DEs, 3 tweeners, and 6 DTs, and you think his chances of seeing the field are better at DT. Right.

 

[buchtelgrad04]

His brother kicked Bennet and Washington inside and they turned out alright

Both of those players were too big and not as effective as DEs. Again, the DE room that Nick is walking into is nowhere near the same as the one Joey walked into.

 

[buchtelgrad04]

Joey was a consensus Frosh All-American in 2013, and everyone has said Nick is better. Joey was never really "off track" this season, seeing as he was getting double- and triple-teamed almost every play. The two teams near the end of the year that didn't do so (Michigan and Notre Dame) got tore up by Joey. Lewis can attribute much of his sack and TFL totals to opponents focusing on Joey. And if you think Hubbard, as pleasant a surprise he's been at DE, is better than Nick Bosa, you're sorely mistaken. It's likely just a matter of which of those guys spot he ends up taking by mid-season, if not earlier.


As @Hstead posted above, it's a partial tear. He'll likely be nearly 100% by the fall. And I'm not sure where you get that DE is one of the "most loaded spots on the roster." We have only four players returning who have even seen the field at DE (Hubbard, Lewis, Holmes, and Slade), two of whom played sparingly. There are three others who played DE in high school (Cornell, Jones, and Thompson) but have filled out to where they may not be as quick as they were, and certainly won't challenge Nick. The rest of the DL are pretty much set as tackles (Alabi, Hamilton, Hill, Landers, Munger, Sprinkle). So, we have 4 DEs, 3 tweeners, and 6 DTs, and you think his chances of seeing the field are better at DT. Right.

I'm not talking about Joey being off track this season. I'm talking about Joey coming in as a true freshman. There wasn't a DE other than Noah Spence as good as any DE we have on the team right now and Joey didn't come in and start right away.

Tyquan Lewis may have benefited from Joey, but who didn't? His games against Va Tech and Notre Dame show evidence that he's pretty good without Joey on the field. Sam Hubbard is being talked about as a guy who has potential to leave for the NFL after this year, Urban Meyer has sang his praises more than almost any other player not named Braxton Miller, Ezekiel Elliott, & John Simon in all of his years here, and singled him out as a huge regret for not playing him. He's also been quoted as saying "Sam Hubbard & Jalyn Holmes will be NFL players some day," but you don't think they're good enough to keep their spots?

The DTs are less proven and Nick has played more 3-tech than Joey has at the same stage.

I get that Nick is a really good football player. But slow down the hype train. He'll cut into their snaps, but he's not moving them to the bench in year one.

 

[pnuts34]

"World-class talent" seems a bit lofty, for a high school senior, no? Why is there "no way" that those who are already ahead of him can't stay ahead of him? He's not coming into the same type of DE group that his brother came into and it still took him almost half the season to really get on track. Sam Hubbard has been tabbed as a guy who should've played as a true freshman because he won't be around long. Tyquan, with 8 sacks and 14 TFLs, isn't losing his spot.

Do you know what you're asking of a true freshman coming off an ACL injury? DE is one of the most loaded spots on the roster. I'd make more of an argument that he'd have a better chance of unseating someone at 3 tech.

I don't get fans that put such lofty expectations on true frosh. The percentages are quite low for true frosh to make major impact, even ones with great bloodlines. The only comparison to Joey is their last name, IMO. They're not the same. I agree that the guys in the DE room aren't all established, but they've at least been in a college strength & conditioning program, dealt with collegiate nutrition, and being able to balance a football and school work load. College is a far different ball game than HS, I'm not saying that Joey hasn't prepared him, but college rosters are littered with former 5stars. I hope Nick balls out, but I in no way would expect him to be like his brother in year 1. I'd gladly be wrong, but I agree with @buchtelgrad04 that this is a pretty stacked DE room with a bunch of hungry young guys also looking to make a name for themselves. Joey didn't have close to the amount of DE talent when he came in.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I'm not talking about Joey being off track this season. I'm talking about Joey coming in as a true freshman. There wasn't a DE other than Noah Spence as good as any DE we have on the team right now and Joey didn't come in and start right away.

Now you're sounding silly. "There wasn't a DE other than Noah Spence as good as any DE we have on the team right now". You mean the same Noah Spence who is now projected to be taken in the first round, right behind Bosa? Also, show me where I said he'll start "right away". He may not start early in the season, but I think he'll be a starter by the time The Game rolls around.

Sam Hubbard is being talked about as a guy who has potential to leave for the NFL after this year, Urban Meyer has sang his praises more than almost any other player not named Braxton Miller, Ezekiel Elliott, & John Simon in all of his years here, and singled him out as a huge regret for not playing him.

There are several guys on the roster who have "has potential to leave for the NFL after this year". That doesn't mean they should or will (see Jalin Marshall). Meyer regretted not playing Hubbard because we could've used the depth on DL. I've been praising Hubbard almost as much as anyone here, but I think it's clear that Bosa could very well supplant him by mid/late-season.

He's also been quoted as saying "Sam Hubbard & Jalyn Holmes will be NFL players some day," but you don't think they're good enough to keep their spots?

Not when they may be mid-round choices and Nick is better at this stage than his brother who will likely be the #1 overall pick in the entire draft.

The DTs are less proven and Nick has played more 3-tech than Joey has at the same stage.

Nick wasn't recruited to play DT...he was recruited to be an improved version of Joey. Meyer may slide him inside early to get his feet wet, but he'll slide him back outside once Nick gets comfortable. Hell, he moved Joey inside from time to time just to mess with blocking schemes.

I get that Nick is a really good football player. But slow down the hype train. He'll cut into their snaps, but he's not moving them to the bench in year one.

When Meyer says Nick will undoubtedly play, it's not hype. What would you like to wager than Bosa doesn't start at least one game at DE, other than for filling in for an injured starter?

 

[pnuts34]

Now you're sounding silly. "There wasn't a DE other than Noah Spence as good as any DE we have on the team right now". You mean the same Noah Spence who is now projected to be taken in the first round, right behind Bosa? Also, show me where I said he'll start "right away". He may not start early in the season, but I think he'll be a starter by the time The Game rolls around.


There are several guys on the roster who have "has potential to leave for the NFL after this year". That doesn't mean they should or will (see Jalin Marshall). Meyer regretted not playing Hubbard because we could've used the depth on DL. I've been praising Hubbard almost as much as anyone here, but I think it's clear that Bosa could very well supplant him by mid/late-season.


Not when they may be mid-round choices and Nick is better at this stage than his brother who will likely be the #1 overall pick in the entire draft.


Nick wasn't recruited to play DT...he was recruited to be an improved version of Joey. Meyer may slide him inside early to get his feet wet, but he'll slide him back outside once Nick gets comfortable. Hell, he moved Joey inside from time to time just to mess with blocking schemes.


When Meyer says Nick will undoubtedly play, it's not hype. What would you like to wager than Bosa doesn't start at least one game at DE, other than for filling in for an injured starter?

You make some good points, but I don't know how Bosa supplants a talent like Hubbard, who in Bosa's absence took his game to the next level. Hubbard is very talented and has been in the system for several years. I see Bosa getting in the 2 deep but even starting by season's end is a bit much. We're basing this off of what he did against HS competition. Before I'm ready to anoint Nick as anything, I'm curious to see how he does against our current O line, and not even the starters, but Bowen, Feder, Schmidt, etc. Bosa could definitely be a great one, but lets give it some time. Urban did say hed play, but he also said the same about a number of guys as frosh who either ended up redshirting or playing little due to the demands of the college game and college life in general. Living at home with your parents in a controlled environment is very different than living in dorms, far away from home and having to make adult decisions on your own with the eyes of a football crazed campus on you as a 18yo!

 

[RB07OSU]

He's going to play a lot and "starter/two deep" is probably just a formality. You'll see a ton out of Hubbard, Lewis, Holmes and Bosa. It is certainly the most loaded position we have on defense or else he would start right away.

It's fun to argue but throwing him in that group to compete is only going to make everyone better.

 

[buchtelgrad04]

Now you're sounding silly. "There wasn't a DE other than Noah Spence as good as any DE we have on the team right now". You mean the same Noah Spence who is now projected to be taken in the first round, right behind Bosa? Also, show me where I said he'll start "right away". He may not start early in the season, but I think he'll be a starter by the time The Game rolls around.

You either misread what you replied to or you severely lack comprehension skills.

The rest is hyperbole. Meyer said he'll undoubtedly play. He also said Jonathon Cooper will undoubtedly play. He also said he plans to play 18 freshmen. Coach Meyer says a lot in the media.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

You either misread what you replied to or you severely lack comprehension skills.

The rest is hyperbole. Meyer said he'll undoubtedly play. He also said Jonathon Cooper will undoubtedly play. He also said he plans to play 18 freshmen. Coach Meyer says a lot in the media.

My reading comprehension is just fine. Meyer doesn't hyperbolize. When he's as emphatic about Bosa playing, he has more plans for him than to just put him in the game occasionally. He will absolutely be in the two-deep, barring further injury, for the season opener, and will be a starter by season's end. I noticed you haven't taken me up on that wager...

 

[buchtelgrad04]

My reading comprehension is just fine. Meyer doesn't hyperbolize. When he's as emphatic about Bosa playing, he has more plans for him than to just put him in the game occasionally. He will absolutely be in the two-deep, barring further injury, for the season opener, and will be a starter by season's end. I noticed you haven't taken me up on that wager...

You proceeded to tell me how good Noah Spence is and where he'll be drafted AFTER you quoted a post where I basically said he was the only other DE on that 2013 team that would play on this team. You didn't comprehend what you read.

He doesn't hyperbolize? We'll disagree there.

I'm not betting on a depth chart. However, I will bet that if Nick has a rough year you'll be one of the first people to say it was "disappointing" or "he isn't living up the hype."