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Coronavirus (COVID-19) is too exciting for adults to discuss (CLOSED)

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Jagdaddy said:
Probably a plot to fill us all with tracking and mind control nanobytes.
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MililaniBuckeye said:
JFC, dude. The graph wasn't meant to show any comparison between their peak period and ours, but rather the ridiculous notion that deaths have actually dropped by a staggering 99%. Conversely, although our death rate has been plummeting, the case rate had been decreasing at a much lower rate, and has actually seen a jump over the last five days. So, explain to me how Spain has somehow reduced their death rate to virtually zero, going from a peak of almost a thousand a day to almost none, in less than three months.
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And I answered that question. By not coming out of the national state of emergency too soon.

As for the comparison (which is very easy to look up), the fact that they peaked well before we did, but we came out of lockdown before they did is absolutely relevant to your point about their death rate being close to zero relative to what we're staring at a week or two from now.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
And I answered that question. By not coming out of the national state of emergency too soon.

As for the comparison (which is very easy to look up), the fact that they peaked well before we did, but we came out of lockdown before they did is absolutely relevant to your point about their death rate being close to zero relative to what we're staring at a week or two from now.
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Again, you missed the point, do you really think that virtually no one in a country of 44M is dying from COVID?
 
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sparcboxbuck said:
These numbers will be very interesting to watch. Like you said, we should expect a spike. How big the spike is, and this is the sucky part, will be determined by who was diagnosed (age / comorbidities) and how the virus has mutated.

Some of the research I’m seeing suggest that the virus is (my words) burning out in terms of lethality. This makes sense as the most lethal mutations are killing their hosts while the less lethal are more likely to spread.

What I hope to see, in a couple of weeks, is a comparison of lethality / death rates isolated to newly diagnosed cases using age and comorbidity as co-variates relative to similarly timed diagnosis to end of analytic window from much earlier in the pandemic.

Doing so would allow for a better understanding of if the lethality of the current mutations is similar to early on or if the mutations becoming less lethal hypothesis holds any water.

Thus far we should have little confidence in the government and media to provide such numbers — I don’t hold a lot of hope for them to help us. I do hope that there are medical researchers who are on this as it’s a pretty obvious analysis given the data being generated.
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Would be good to try to control for improvements in treatment as well.

MililaniBuckeye said:
JFC, dude. The graph wasn't meant to show any comparison between their peak period and ours, but rather the ridiculous notion that deaths have actually dropped by a staggering 99%. Conversely, although our death rate has been plummeting, the case rate had been decreasing at a much lower rate, and has actually seen a jump over the last five days. So, explain to me how Spain has somehow reduced their death rate to virtually zero, going from a peak of almost a thousand a day to almost none, in less than three months.
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You may be able to find yearly month over month total death data for EU countries. If there’s no significant increase from 2019 to 2020, they’ve probably shut COVID down, although secondary things like fewer deaths from traffic accidents or air pollution and more deaths of despair are complicating factors. If there is a big jump, most of it is probably underreported COVID.
 
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Jagdaddy said:
You may be able to find yearly month over month total death data for EU countries. If there’s no significant increase from 2019 to 2020, they’ve probably shut COVID down, although secondary things like fewer deaths from traffic accidents or air pollution and more deaths of despair are complicating factors. If there is a big jump, most of it is probably underreported COVID.
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I've read this comment about five times and still don't know what you're trying to say. First, there was no COVID in 2019. Secondly, the graph shows only COVID deaths, so traffic accidents, air pollution, and suicide aren't included in death tolls. As for your comment, "they’ve probably shut COVID down", uh no. Unless everyone, and I mean everyone, in the country went into full lockdown mode for months it would be impossible to essentially eradicate the virus. Note that the astronomically low death numbers are only in the EU nations. Now look at the death rates for Mexico (worse than ours), UK, India, Chile, Iran, Iraq, etc.
 
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heisman said:
Can’t make this shit up. Hahaha!!!....

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Already widely, including by the DoJ, debunked as fake. Though I absolutely agree that if someone's sense of masculinity is so fragile and insecure that a common sense public health decree is unbearable, their mental health is definitely at risk.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
I've read this comment about five times and still don't know what you're trying to say. First, there was no COVID in 2019. Secondly, the graph shows only COVID deaths, so traffic accidents, air pollution, and suicide aren't included in death tolls. As for your comment, "they’ve probably shut COVID down", uh no. Unless everyone, and I mean everyone, in the country went into full lockdown mode for months it would be impossible to essentially eradicate the virus. Note that the astronomically low death numbers are only in the EU nations. Now look at the death rates for Mexico (worse than ours), UK, India, Chile, Iran, Iraq, etc.
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I’m talking about TOTAL deaths not total COVID deaths. Absent something unusual, and subject to seasonal variance, the death rate in a given population stays pretty constant. So, if in Spain based on March 2019 data, March 2020 deaths were x% higher than you’d predict, you can reasonably attribute the increase to COVID absent something else unusual. Similarly for June 2020. If there are excess total deaths, you can probably attribute them to COVID. If not, they’ve probably shut it down. As I mentioned before, secondary effects like shutdown related reductions in traffic deaths or air pollution related deaths or increases in deaths of despair or deaths from other conditions not treated because of COVID fear are complicating factors.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Already widely, including by the DoJ, debunked as fake. Though I absolutely agree that if someone's sense of masculinity is so fragile and insecure that a common sense public health decree is unbearable, that mask is a threat to their mental health.
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Yeah, not only fake, but a bad fake, and stupid as hell!

People have way too much time on their hands.
 
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Jagdaddy said:
I’m talking about TOTAL deaths not total COVID deaths. Absent something unusual, and subject to seasonal variance, the death rate in a given population stays pretty constant. So, if in Spain based on March 2019 data, March 2020 deaths were x% higher than you’d predict, you can reasonably attribute the increase to COVID absent something else unusual. Similarly for June 2020. If there are excess total deaths, you can probably attribute them to COVID. If not, they’ve probably shut it down. As I mentioned before, secondary effects like shutdown related reductions in traffic deaths or air pollution related deaths or increases in deaths of despair or deaths from other conditions not treated because of COVID fear are complicating factors.
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Uh, the charts I post are for COVID deaths only...they're taken from the Worldometers Coronavirus pages. I have no idea where in the fuck you're getting deaths other than those for COVID...check the thread title.
 
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