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Coronavirus (COVID-19) is too exciting for adults to discuss (CLOSED)

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OSU_Buckguy said:
the milleboomer generation? oh my god, what are we creating? the horror!
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Really, do we want more of these???? God, no!!!

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Jake said:
But at what cost to society? I'm not talking about economics, although that will become a factor at some point.

Can enough money be thrown around to keep people fed and with a roof over their heads? The paycheck to paycheck crowd - aka about 75% of the work force - are going to need supported sooner rather than later. Otherwise, brace yourself for civil unrest and crime as desperate people take desperate measures.
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Housing is the biggest thing to me. If the feds want to do something useful with a zillion $ of "stimulus", use it to make mortgage/rent payments for people for the next two months to start. Once one misses a payment, the lenders pile on extra fees to the point that catching up is a pipe dream. The banks still get it, but it actually helps human beings too. With that expense covered, even the paycheck to paycheck crowd has a much better shot at getting through this without being utterly fucked.

EDIT: Especially since a big part of unaffordable housing is investors buying up single family homes at cut-rate prices during economic crises and then renting them to the folks who lost them under unfavorable terms for the renters. While their incomes recover when the economy does, their wrecked credit and the reduced amount of housing stock for sale prevents them from buying again.
 
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Jake said:
But at what cost to society? I'm not talking about economics, although that will become a factor at some point.

Can enough money be thrown around to keep people fed and with a roof over their heads? The paycheck to paycheck crowd - aka about 75% of the work force - are going to need supported sooner rather than later. Otherwise, brace yourself for civil unrest and crime as desperate people take desperate measures.
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Even for those of us that have the option of working remotely, a lot of our grumpy bosses are being grumpy about it, and its only day...2 for me. Won’t be long before the pressure to come back is is palpable.
 
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Jake said:
But at what cost to society? I'm not talking about economics, although that will become a factor at some point.

Can enough money be thrown around to keep people fed and with a roof over their heads? The paycheck to paycheck crowd - aka about 75% of the work force - are going to need supported sooner rather than later. Otherwise, brace yourself for civil unrest and crime as desperate people take desperate measures.
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Until today, I was understanding of all the measures being taken so far, to 'flatten the curve' and contain the spread of the virus, and lessen its impact on the healthcare system. But today I've decided that they need to place an end-point in people's minds about these measures. I think most folks can deal with a 3-week period of harsh stay-at-home measures, maybe 30 days. But what if there's no end in sight to the measures that are having such a drastic effect on the economy? Do the health experts calling the shots think we need to wait 4 to 6 weeks before deciding if we need to continue these measures for another 4 to 6 weeks after that? And then maybe even longer after that? People need to be able to make decisions about their lives and their jobs, and the future of their businesses, and they need an end date to these isolation measures in order to do that.

I've known this was coming since early January, when it was spreading rapidly in Wuhan. I thought the response was too slow for several weeks, and in the last week I've seen the pendulum swing to these harsh measures and have understood the reasons why, but there needs to be a definite end in sight. The impact on the economy and society will be worse overall than the effects of the virus on the population if the current situation extends past April.

And I'm not saying this because of the stock market, I have zero money in there. I'm saying it because of the impact to millions of people that will have serious difficulty in making monthly payments and simply buying food if this lasts more than a few weeks. And I have serious doubt that any government aid package will be done effectively.

And I'm in an above average risk category, health-wise. But I'm willing to be exposed and take my 1% or so, or whatever it actually is, risk at not surviving, rather than have life as we know it devolve into the mass chaos that will likely occur if the current situation extends into months.
 
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Jake said:
But at what cost to society? I'm not talking about economics, although that will become a factor at some point.

Can enough money be thrown around to keep people fed and with a roof over their heads? The paycheck to paycheck crowd - aka about 75% of the work force - are going to need supported sooner rather than later. Otherwise, brace yourself for civil unrest and crime as desperate people take desperate measures.
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and if everything is about health then what about the health of this huge swath of Americans?

We may lose 2.2MM lives in the "do nothing" scenario but we are causing long term damage to 70 times that number in the form of depression and anxiety/mental health issues related to the economic dislocation. Studies of this have been done. There is a link to poverty and shorter life spans, higher cancer rates, stomach issues etc. These people essentially die from the stress.

The cure being worse than the disease is a real thing. Read that Imperial college document. There is enough in there to absolutely make the case for the do nothing (or at least a hell of a lot less than this) option.

Too late now, horse is out of the barn but there will be civil fucking war if this goes on for anything approaching months. It's simply untenable.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
and if everything is about health then what about the health of this huge swath of Americans?

We may lose 2.2MM lives in the "do nothing" scenario but we are causing long term damage to 70 times that number in the form of depression and anxiety/mental health issues related to the economic dislocation. Studies of this have been done. There is a link to poverty and shorter life spans, higher cancer rates, stomach issues etc. These people essentially die from the stress.

The cure being worse than the disease is a real thing. Read that Imperial college document. There is enough in there to absolutely make the case for the do nothing (or at least a hell of a lot less than this) option.

Too late now, horse is out of the barn but there will be civil fucking war if this goes on for anything approaching months. It's simply untenable.
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You're stressing me out with every post......and yet I still enjoy every time you post.
 
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Fungo Squiggly said:
I'm kinda hoping the quarantine stays in place for another month -- I like my morning commute to be this easy. :lol:
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Wife has been working from home for 15+ years and I’ve been doing the same (with a brief intermission) for about six. The commute from coffee maker to my desk is the best.

I pick up at least two hours a day by not going into the office. Sometimes that’s my time... sometimes I give it to the company. But either way, eliminating the hassle of having to get up and out has been wonderful. Most of my team is home based and we’ve been doing it for years. Once you make the jump... you may never want to go back. Frankly, the kind of money it would take to pull me into an office to do the same job would likely price me out of the market all things considered.
 
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