Coronavirus (COVID-19) is too exciting for adults to discuss (CLOSED)

[scarletmike]

I wouldn't be holding out hope for a vaccine, and definitely not basing policy decisions around having one. I know we're far later to the game on this one compared to some other pandemics/outbreaks recently (and also because it's new), so maybe that's our only realistic way at this point to get back to normal. If so, that should reflect very poorly on several fronts, but that's more for the Poli forum. Unfortunately it appears at this point that a non-vaccine solution means accepting a higher body count if people aren't willing to accept a test and trace option that they think is too invasive/"unconstitutional." I'm not sure I'm ready to accept a higher body count yet.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Covid Darwinism.

In the case of some COVIDIOT who didn't take any precautions and then thought he would tough it out at home, yes. In the case of some old person who caught it, was maybe scared to go to the ER and prayed he'd get through it, more of a tragedy. Or somebody who maybe had symptoms of a heart attack or stroke but didn't go to an ER out of COVID fear, also a tragedy.

 

[AKAK]

This does not seem like good news at all: https://www.stripes.com/news/navy/f...navirus-18-others-taken-off-the-ship-1.629831

These kinds of reports need to be taken with an abundance of caution... and while it would seem like the Navy is taking really awesome precautions, this is 5 out of 1100 in a pretty controlled environment, and the test accuracy has been, and still is in some ways, simply awful (and not just in the US, everywhere)... but, while we keep seeing reports like this, I think its probably not a good idea to ascribe some super virus status to this thing over an anecdotal case here or there.

 

[Taosman]

These kinds of reports need to be taken with an abundance of caution... and while it would seem like the Navy is taking really awesome precautions, this is 5 out of 1100 in a pretty controlled environment, and the test accuracy has been, and still is in some ways, simply awful (and not just in the US, everywhere)... but, while we keep seeing reports like this, I think its probably not a good idea to ascribe some super virus status to this thing over an anecdotal case here or there.

Please! This has been bungled from the beginning and made into more than it might have been .But we're dealing with the NOW. And the NOW is 2000+ deaths a day. On our way to 100,000 deaths soon enough. That is not an" anecdotal case here or there". It must be taken seriously and not underestimated or described as "anecdotal" . All we have to fight it with is the same stuff they had in 1918. Social distancing. Masks. Washing your hands. That is pitiful. It's absurd.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-usa#what-is-the-daily-number-of-confirmed-deaths

 

[AKAK]

Please! This has been bungled from the beginning and made into more than it might have been .But we're dealing with the NOW. And the NOW is 2000 deaths a day. On our way to 100,000 deaths soon enough. That is not an" anecdotal case here or there". It must be taken seriously and not underestimated or described as "anecdotal" .

What in the actual fuck are you on about, I'm talking about the 5 navy sailors who appear to have gotten symptoms twice.... and similar occasional reports from other places. Those are the anecdotal cases here or there.

Reading is hard though, I get it.

 

[Jagdaddy]

These kinds of reports need to be taken with an abundance of caution... and while it would seem like the Navy is taking really awesome precautions, this is 5 out of 1100 in a pretty controlled environment, and the test accuracy has been, and still is in some ways, simply awful (and not just in the US, everywhere)... but, while we keep seeing reports like this, I think its probably not a good idea to ascribe some super virus status to this thing over an anecdotal case here or there.

Of course. I'm not running around saying "holy shit, everybody's going to keep getting this again and again until there's nobody left", but I'd certainly prefer not to have reports that getting it once might not mean you won't get it again.

 

[Taosman]

What in the actual fuck are you on about, I'm talking about the 5 navy sailors who appear to have gotten symptoms twice.... and similar occasional reports from other places. Those are the anecdotal cases here or there.

Reading is hard though, I get it.

Doesn't the article say "18 plus 5"? I know it seems like a small number....right now. But this is a highly contagious disease and we have plenty of evidence about how this expands exponentially.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Doesn't the article say "18 plus 5"? I know it seems like a small number....right now. But this is a highly contagious disease and we have plenty of evidence about how this expands exponentially.

We also have evidence that it's now on the downturn, in both case rate and death rate. The latest 7-day-moving-average fatality stats:

And the NOW is 2000+ deaths a day.

Per the chart, it's now just above 1,400 deaths per day, and declining.

On our way to 100,000 deaths soon enough.

Got your dancing shoes ready?

That is not an" anecdotal case here or there". It must be taken seriously and not underestimated or described as "anecdotal" .

If you would actually try to comprehend what AKAK's is saying you'd realize he's not treating everything as anecdotal.

All we have to fight it with is the same stuff they had in 1918.

I don't even know how to respond to this babble.

Social distancing. Masks. Washing your hands.

It's bad enough that we to hear this 4,867 times a day, every fucking day, from the TV and radio.

That is pitiful. It's absurd.

Yes, you are.

 

[AKAK]

Doesn't the article say "18 plus 5"? I know it seems like a small number....right now. But this is a highly contagious disease and we have plenty of evidence about how this expands exponentially.

Once again, reading is hard. The 18 interacted with the 5 that appear to have tested positive.twice.

The 5 are the concern.

But, fun thing about ships is, its a closed society... So those 5 are about a half a percent of the 1100. So lets say there wasn't a testing error, or there is some specific underlying cause, like immune system response in those particular individuals, a half percent reinfection rate isn't going to contribute to meaningful R0 difference over populations.

So, unless its particularly lethal the second time someone shows symptoms... This probably isn't a big deal. Hell, maybe its good... How many people get the same cold twice in a short period? I honestly have no idea.

But Taos, none of those things say its not contagious or dangerous or anything else you think I meant, its simply addressing the implications of a small amount of people testing positive twice.

 

[AKAK]

Of course. I'm not running around saying "holy shit, everybody's going to keep getting this again and again until there's nobody left", but I'd certainly prefer not to have reports that getting it once might not mean you won't get it again.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...vid-19-patients-bode-well-long-term-immunity#

I had stumbled across this earlier today. I won't try to summarize it, and in fact its a summary of a couple different studies on immune responses in covid patients and the population at large (ie possible that some of the population has at least some of the T cell response from getting other coronaviruses)

Informational purposes only as it expressly does not arrive at a conclusion about reinfection.

 

[BB73]

We also have evidence that it's now on the downturn, in both case rate and death rate. The latest 7-day-moving-average fatality stats:

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Per the chart, it's now just above 1,400 deaths per day, and declining.


Got your dancing shoes ready?


If you would actually try to comprehend what AKAK's is saying you'd realize he's not treating everything as anecdotal.


I don't even know how to respond to this babble.


It's bad enough that we to hear this 4,867 times a day, every fucking day, from the TV and radio.


Yes, you are.

Wow. Mili quoted Taos 7 times in a post and never once mentioned peyote.

That's gotta be a record.

 

[AKAK]

Wow. Mili quoted Taos 7 times in a post and never once mentioned peyote.

That's gotta be a record.

 

[Taosman]

The Roosevelt has been preparing to return to sea in recent weeks, but Navy officials have not issued an update on the number of cases on board since the end of April, when 1,102 sailors of the ship's 4,800-strong crew were reported to have an active case of the virus.

https://www.upi.com/Defense-News/20...returning-to-Roosevelt-carrier/8851589491854/

 

[Taosman]

Wow. Mili quoted Taos 7 times in a post and never once mentioned peyote.

That's gotta be a record.

Is someone actually keeping score?

 

[gmen6981]

The Roosevelt has been preparing to return to sea in recent weeks, but Navy officials have not issued an update on the number of cases on board since the end of April, when 1,102 sailors of the ship's 4,800-strong crew were reported to have an active case of the virus.

https://www.upi.com/Defense-News/20...returning-to-Roosevelt-carrier/8851589491854/

Saw that last night. Actually, 5 sailors tested positive after having it, completely recovering, and having to test negative twice before being allowed re-board the ship. 14 others who were exposed to those 5 have been put in quarantine.