Coronavirus (COVID-19) is too exciting for adults to discuss (CLOSED)

[muffler dragon]

Sexy.

All about the imagination brother.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

All about the imagination brother.

It gives completely new meaning to the phrase, “if you can see her face, you’re doing it wrong” now doesn’t it?

 

[lvbuckeye]

It seems you are not aware of what you're quoting.
All you had to do was click through to her Twitter profile to see the snippet of the article quoted here:


Click through a Twitter profile to see a snippet of an article that I linked. Okay.


moving on, please tell me what they're falsifying, not what they could.

All Jensen did was create hypothetical conspiracy porn, saying they had a frightening way to falsify it, not that they were doing so, yet that was enough for many to adopt it as a smoking gun.

I sure hope that's not all you're using to denigrate countless healthcare workers across this country.

first off, I never denigrated health care workers, so you can fuck right off with that bullshit.

Secondly, why would I click through to a Twitter profile to see a snippet of an article THAT I LINKED?

I am aware that money has not been allocated on a per case basis, but I am ALSO aware, as you would have been had you actually READ that article that I linked rather than a snippet on Twitter, that, and I quote,

The agency said the next round of grants "will focus on providers in areas particularly impacted by the COVID-19 outbreak."

So is your argument that there ISN'T a ton of money being thrown around? The first $30 BILLION is already gone. Now they're giving out more.

 

[jwinslow]

first off, I never denigrated health care workers, so you can fuck right off with that bullshit.

who exactly is doing this deception:

It won't drop until the monetary incentive to having covid cases and deaths is dropped.

There's not any actual evidence of this happening. You haven't provided any evidence during the three requests for you to show them doing this. Meanwhile there's mountains of evidence of hospitals obliterating their funding to support covid care.

Secondly, why would I click through to a Twitter profile to see a snippet of an article THAT I LINKED?

because then maybe you would grasp what Ayla is arguing, because it's very opposite from what you're claiming.

I am aware that money has not been allocated on a per case basis, but I am ALSO aware, as you would have been had you actually READ that article that I linked rather than a snippet on Twitter, that, and I quote,

where do you think the quotes came from, LV?

So is your argument that there ISN'T a ton of money being thrown around? The first $30 BILLION is already gone. Now they're giving out more.

there's tons of money being given out because they are imploding financially. They shut down their revenue streams to stay safe, and are forced into unnecessarily high PPE costs because of unknown but questionable reasons from the feds.

Hospitals will be shuttered because of this.
Huge swaths of workers will be fired.
And that's WITH the money.

Just like in the private business sector. They are printing free money for so many, but the arrival is slow and won't be nearly enough to survive this for some. Only restoring the influx of cases can possibly do this, and that will lead to more spread and threat. Which will lead to more fear to come to the hospital (even for emergencies), which will continue the vicious cycle.

 

[buckeyebri]

So my mom fell and broke her elbow. I'm in Ohio to assist. No staying in the hospital right. Anyway, went to Meijer in Mansfield and it gave me flashbacks to going to Walmart in NC. Masks, we don't need no masks, social distancing WTF is that, shower huh, sweat pants be us.... shocked Ohio is doing so well if this is the social activity...felt like I needed a shower when I made it home

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Good news! Covid deaths have just dropped by 23k according to the CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Wrong. The CDC did not revise or lower their death toll. It's increased every day but with a lag compared to Johns Hopkins' numbers.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cdc-death-figures/

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

There's not any actual evidence of this happening. You haven't provided any evidence during the three requests for you to show them doing this. Meanwhile there's mountains of evidence of hospitals obliterating their funding to support covid care.

To support lv's comment about "monetary incentive to having covid cases and deaths":

Fact check: Hospitals get paid more if patients listed as COVID-19, on ventilators

Granted the linked article is about 10 days old but I haven't seen anything that this has changed..

 

[AKAK]

So my mom fell and broke her elbow. I'm in Ohio to assist. No staying in the hospital right. Anyway, went to Meijer in Mansfield and it gave me flashbacks to going to Walmart in NC. Masks, we don't need no masks, social distancing WTF is that, shower huh, sweat pants be us.... shocked Ohio is doing so well if this is the social activity...felt like I needed a shower when J made it home

No one there uses public transportation and no one there leaves to go anywhere.

Shit, you're way the fuck out in Ontario anyway.

The whole damned place is social distancing except the prisons.

 

[buckeyebri]

No one there uses public transportation and no one there leaves to go anywhere.

Shit, you're way the fuck out in Ontario anyway.

The whole damned place is social distancing except the prisons.

Ha ha no more prison, no more GM plant. Hell I don’t know what people do here besides Meth or retire cheaply. I guess Shelby where I am from has a Meth problem.

 

[jwinslow]

To support lv's comment about "monetary incentive to having covid cases and deaths":

Fact check: Hospitals get paid more if patients listed as COVID-19, on ventilators

Granted the linked article is about 10 days old but I haven't seen anything that this has changed..

They do have incentive, but that doesn't mean they're actually falsely reporting them to keep the numbers up. That's a really crucial distinction.

And this

Jensen clarified in the video that he doesn't think physicians are "gaming the system" so much as other "players," such as hospital administrators, who he said may pressure physicians to cite all diagnoses, including "probable" COVID-19, on discharge papers or death certificates to get the higher Medicare allocation allowed under the Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security Act. Past practice, Jensen said, did not include probabilities.

Is not an actual asterisk for the doctors. It's saying the doctors gamed the system but that the gaming was the idea/requirement of the administrators.

I thought I linked this, but apparently not. Snopes fact checked the Minnesotan that set off the wildfire about overlisting covid cases for profit

What's True
It is plausible that Medicare is paying hospital fees for some COVID-19 cases in the range of the figures given by Dr. Scott Jensen, a Minnesota state senator, during a Fox News interview.

What's False
However, Medicare says it does not make standard, one-size-fits-all payments to hospitals for patients admitted with COVID-19 diagnoses and placed on ventilators. The $13,000 and $39,000 figures appear to be based on generic industry estimates for admitting and treating patients with similar conditions.

This is a lengthier breakdown
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...posts/Fact-check-Hospitals-COVID-19-payments/

Their conclusion:

It is standard for Medicare to pay roughly three times more for a patient with a respiratory condition who goes on a ventilator than for one who does not. That has nothing to do with the coronavirus.

As part of a federal stimulus bill, Medicare is paying hospitals 20% more than standard rates for COVID-19 patients.

Indications are that due to a lack of testing and other factors, the number of coronavirus cases has been undercounted, not padded.

 

[ScriptOhio]

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

They do have incentive, but that doesn't mean they're actually falsely reporting them to keep the numbers up. That's a really crucial distinction.

And thisIs not an actual asterisk for the doctors. It's saying the doctors gamed the system but that the gaming was the idea/requirement of the administrators.

I thought I linked this, but apparently not. Snopes fact checked the Minnesotan that set off the wildfire about overlisting covid cases for profit
This is a lengthier breakdown
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...posts/Fact-check-Hospitals-COVID-19-payments/

Their conclusion:

Josh, it doesn't matter whether it's the doctors or the administrators doing to gaming, that the gaming is even happening in the issue. And Snopes has lone since stopped being an unbiased fact-checker...

 

[Onebuckfan]

Josh, it doesn't matter whether it's the doctors or the administrators doing to gaming, that the gaming is even happening in the issue. And Snopes has lone since stopped being an unbiased fact-checker...

As long as Medicare has existed providers have been gaming the system. Every once and a while they celebrate a prosecution on fraud. It’s not a CoVid thing.

 

[jwinslow]

Josh, it doesn't matter whether it's the doctors or the administrators doing to gaming, that the gaming is even happening in the issue. And Snopes has lone since stopped being an unbiased fact-checker...

That's the point. You can't just point the finger at the big bad bosses without implicating the doctors, the paper pushers, etc. Meanwhile the guy who started this also said he's convinced the cases are being undercounted.

 

[Taosman]

When the "system" started emphasizing procedures instead of family medicine the system was headed for corruption of epic proportions. I feel lucky if I see my family doctor for 15 minutes these days.