Coronavirus (COVID-19) is too exciting for adults to discuss (CLOSED)

[BuckeyeNation27]

We should be providing monthly stimulus to everyone until the July/August. We should be more worried about small businesses and loans that could keep most of them afloat. We should be providing increased hazard pay ($15+) and PPE to everyone working in grocery stores and in warehouses who have to come in contact with hundreds of people a day.

But for a long time that's not what this country has been about. Instead we pumped trillions into the stock market that will almost certainly free fall again once people loose their homes and no one goes out for holiday spending because they have no money. We're more worried about padding Boeing's pockets who what, a year ago killed hundreds of people due to rushing out patches for a plane instead of taking a hit that would save lives?

Let's cut the shit when people try to accuse sides of caring more about body counts and less about unemployment & lost wages, as if we've cared about poverty, healthcare or shit dead-end minimum wage jobs for more than when it's useful. The US has not been a country about the working and middle class for decades now, and the result of that is we're really fucking showing out when it comes to disaster during a pandemic.

Outside of NY and NJ, cases are still rising. The US is going to hit 100k+ deaths by the end of May. Believe it, don't, it's up to you. But being concerned about deaths and infection counts doesn't make you a body count worshiper, and it doesn't make you blind to an awful economic situation. It just means the US has to do something that seems terrifying for some reason: pay its citizens monthly to stay home. And create another new deal to help it out of the depression that will be coming when this is over.

sorry for the wall of text

I didn't want this to get lost. Why are we just willing to let people die as the answer? Why are people protesting to get stores open instead of protesting for what they really need. You don't need to sacrifice grandpa so you can earn a living. Protest for the relief that money would bring without having to go back to work and risk people getting sick. These protests are for the betterment of corporations, not for the people protesting.

 

[jwinslow]

Xenophobes!

(Oh, also we tots need some murder hornets too)

This is the first time I've heard them called anything but murder hornets.

The part about their stinger penetrating bee keeping outfits was particularly comforting.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I didn't want this to get lost. Why are we just willing to let people die as the answer? Why are people protesting to get stores open instead of protesting for what they really need.

JFC. Quit with the hyperbole. Wanting to get back to work, or at least get what you actually need from stores and not what fucking politicians say you can buy, is not "just willing to let people die".

You don't need to sacrifice grandpa so you can earn a living.

My going to work =/= Grandpa dying

 

[AKAK]

This is the first time I've heard them called anything but murder hornets.

The part about their stinger penetrating bee keeping outfits was particularly comforting.

Take it up with CNN, I'm just the messenger of their racism.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

I didn't want this to get lost. Why are we just willing to let people die as the answer? Why are people protesting to get stores open instead of protesting for what they really need. You don't need to sacrifice grandpa so you can earn a living. Protest for the relief that money would bring without having to go back to work and risk people getting sick. These protests are for the betterment of corporations, not for the people protesting.

I don’t think that anyone really wants to just let people die. But from the very beginning of all of this, even from the medical establishment, the point was just that... regrettably, people are going to die from this virus. The shelter in place orders were designed to not overrun the capacity of the health care system. I don’t think that I’ve read anyone in a position of authority state that goals were, are, or should be to prevent mortality. Merely, the goals were designed to give the greatest opportunity to the masses as a whole.

It will be very interesting, from a management perspective, to watch how this unfolds. That is, the grand reopening...

In Ohio alone, which has been wildly successful on multiple metrics, I see a risk of opening things back up too quickly. God forbid that they (royal intended) open back up and (real) counts spike. The horse may be let out of the barn with no stopping at that point. Note the distinction between raw counts and real counts. As others have cited, the reporting of contractions and fatalities has been sporadic at best... so real counts would have to be based on percentages of those testing positive as opposed to the wild fluctuations we see in raw counts.

Aside from the obvious hope for a miracle cure, what I hope for more than anything is a metered reopening that relies on non-sensational metrics so that neither grandpa has to die and those who are out of work due to the economic retraction can put food back on their tables. Regrettably, I fear that both groups may still suffer losses... but I hope losses on both sides can be minimized with bipartisan leadership that considers all who are suffering and a populous who is willing to do their parts (see discussion related to wearing a mask in public).

 

[heisman]

I didn't want this to get lost. Why are we just willing to let people die as the answer? Why are people protesting to get stores open instead of protesting for what they really need. You don't need to sacrifice grandpa so you can earn a living. Protest for the relief that money would bring without having to go back to work and risk people getting sick. These protests are for the betterment of corporations, not for the people protesting.

From where do you think the money comes? The money tree? Also, based on your rants in the political forum, never would have pegged you as such a huge nationalist. The millions of people around the globe that will starve to death because the US economy is closed matter a great deal to me.

 

[heisman]

We are a lazy, weak culture. Get healthy people!.....

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

I don’t think that anyone really wants to just let people die.

Captain Aloha up there has said multiple times it's NBD as long as it's just old people and the already sick younger ones, so......

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

From where do you think the money comes?

Tax reform? Not letting tax dollars be spent on presidential golf trips? Not letting small business loans get into the hands of the mega wealthy? Not spending 80 gajillion dollars on military funding to provide flyovers for nurses?

Poor people are told every day to just save and work harder. How about the people we elect to run the country do a better fucking job of it. We're the richest best country in the world...except when it comes to fucking trying at anything. WhErE wIlL wE gEt ThE mOnEy?!?!?

 

[heisman]

Tax reform? Not letting tax dollars be spent on presidential golf trips? Not letting small business loans get into the hands of the mega wealthy? Not spending 80 gajillion dollars on military funding to provide flyovers for nurses?

Poor people are told every day to just save and work harder. How about the people we elect to run the country do a better fucking job of it. We're the richest best country in the world...except when it comes to fucking trying at anything. WhErE wIlL wE gEt ThE mOnEy?!?!?

The money doesn’t come from tax reform, it comes from taxpayers. How do we pay taxes to the federal government? Payroll taxes. If no one is working, guess what??

You have the right to vote for whoever you wish in this country. I encourage you to exercise that right. Also, I think there is a forum for that particular discussion. It has nothing to do with the economic conundrum caused by the pandemic.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Captain Aloha up there has said multiple times it's NBD as long as it's just old people and the already sick younger ones, so......

Used the search function to check every post I made in this thread and lo and behold I never said "no big deal". Now you'll claim that I didn't use that exact phrase but said so nonetheless. Tell you what, you find where I said that the deaths of old folks don't matter, post it, and I'll fess up to it.

Folks in their 70s-80s with other conditions dying is significantly less heart-wrenching that a 12-year-old kid with his whole fucking life ahead of him who killed himself because of being cooped up.

 

[heisman]

Used the search function to check every post I made in this thread and lo and behold I never said "no big deal". Now you'll claim that I didn't use that exact phrase but said so nonetheless. Tell you what, you find where I said that the deaths of old folks don't matter, post it, and I'll fess up to it.

Folks in their 70s-80s with other conditions dying is significantly less heart-wrenching that a 12-year-old kid with his whole fucking life ahead of him who killed himself because of being cooped up.

Will he admit he’s wrong?

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Will he admit he’s wrong?

If he does, he's interneting wrong.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Used the search function to check every post I made in this thread and lo and behold I never said "no big deal". Now you'll claim that I didn't use that exact phrase but said so nonetheless. Tell you what, you find where I said that the deaths of old folks don't matter, post it, and I'll fess up to it.

Folks in their 70s-80s with other conditions dying is significantly less heart-wrenching that a 12-year-old kid with his whole fucking life ahead of him who killed himself because of being cooped up.

Depends on the kid.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

The money doesn’t come from tax reform, it comes from taxpayers. How do we pay taxes to the federal government? Payroll taxes. If no one is working, guess what??

You have the right to vote for whoever you wish in this country. I encourage you to exercise that right. Also, I think there is a forum for that particular discussion. It has nothing to do with the economic conundrum caused by the pandemic.

I can't balance out the stupidity of the rest of you.