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Coronavirus (COVID-19) is too exciting for adults to discuss (CLOSED)

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1.25 million people die in car wrecks every year. Maybe we should ban all automobiles.

No, but it's why we instituted government regulations mandating everything from radial tires to safety glass to seat belts and airbags. Plus, if I drive recklessly and kill myself and the driver of another car, that event doesn't start a chain where it directly causes the deaths of four more people next week, and those four then cause the deaths of four more each the following week and so on and so on.
 
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I'd be a little more open to easing restrictions were we not literally the stupidest nation on the planet. Within 3 hours of restaurants opening in Oklahoma there were numerous cases of 'Muricans demanding to be served and becoming abusive and threatening towards staff members who denied service due to a lack of a mask.....inevitably including one guy pulling out his piece and threatening to shoot the restaurant manager.
Easing restrictions .,many people across the country have made the decision to disobey the restrictions... the individual will have to do the best to protect themselves and their family. Policing the restrictions are virtually impossible.
 
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Easing restrictions .,many people across the country have made the decision to disobey the restrictions... the individual will have to do the best to protect themselves and there family. Policing the restrictions are virtually impossible.

Hopefully, Lightfoot and Pritzker will force the cops into writing tickets for this shit. I think about $500 for the first offense and a thousand for the second is about right.
 
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I understand a lot of what you're saying regarding the overall shutdowns even if I may not agree with all of it. What, however, is your position on the anti-mask movement?
Actually, I'm against it for now, because wearing a mask is no big deal if it allows you to go out and do what you have to do. Now, once we get to a certain point, e.g., when expert think a certain population has already been exposed and the chances of "hospital overload" is negligent, then I think masks should no longer be needed.
 
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Covid is a "death chain" that makes one stupid selfish person responsible for the death of thousands. That's not a "car wreck" that's a mass murder. How many selfish people have to die and take multiples with them for us to say "enough"? A person out of work has the opportunity to find work in the future. Lose a job even a home you will still have an opportunity for another. Someone who dies has no future.
 
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Almost everyone that I've seen has been wearing a mask, but covidiots are here too. I mentioned the old guy at the wine store in Highland Park who tried to force contact with the employee (store only does stay in your car curbside pickup) and when the employee put his case on the ground and went back inside yelled "THIS IS FUCKING NUTS!" Guy was probably in his late 60s, so one has to wonder whether he's been McDaniel'd.

Illinois isn't without its share of dimwits.

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The ‘burbs are, from my experience, all well behaved. I do, however, find it funny that anyone in IL should carry a “dry run for communism” sign. Heaven knows Chicago and downstate are nothing more than thinly veiled communist states.
 
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Wearing a mask in public is a small sacrifice we can easily make. Social distancing is a small sacrifice we can easily make. Wearing a mask shows everyone you are not selfish and you care about your community.
 
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The question of how you’d be judged regarding the vulnerable prior to COVID19 wasn’t directed at you, but since you answered...

Again, the Body Kount Klub is only cares to focus on one side of the story. There are plenty of “feeble” who are negatively being impacted by this thing who will _never_ contract the virus. If we’re going to throw around statements regarding our (my word) compassion for the feeble due to the virus, ya God damn better well have been throwing in to help the feeble before this... and if not, certainly after.

It’s maddening that so many — ON BOTH SIDES OF THE DISCUSSION — chose to not acknowledge the other side. I’m pointing my fingers at both sides. Solving for one issue at the expense of those who are impacted by the other is at best selfish and at worst has the potential to be of greater overall harm to all of us.
As a society, we have long needed to improve our care and respect for the elderly and feeble.

If the goal is to skewer hypocrisy, then sure, let's evaluate each other, like your "better have" measurement, or @BuckeyeNation27 's callback. Let's measure everyone's contributions and compare them to their accusations. Looking for worthy humans is going to be a pretty fruitless quest, unless the harvest is intended to be rotten. I'm no stranger to such harvests.

Or we can consider all sides, like you're also suggesting. We can weigh the incomplete data, the educated but partial projections, the evolving understanding. The widespread and complicated implications of the pandemic as well as the restrictions, and doing our best to separate our emotional distortion and reshuffling of the data.

As humans, we revert back to our weaknesses very quickly, and pointing fingers is a beloved coping mechanism.

I need constant recalibration on this topic, and frankly wake up each day in wildly different places.

For me, I tend to believe the seriousness being suggested by the media. I'm more sensitive to those misrepresenting the breadth and legitimacy of the threat, and more incensed by rhetoric that furthers that. I leaned more towards the severity of it, and thus am similarly not as offended by diagnoses of covid without a test, or evolving models and data that shifts the projections. I tend to focus more on those who downplay or belittle the threat, as I am an emotional human being with inconsistent sensitivities, and need to be less that way

Others come at this from the opposite side, feeling this isn't as serious as the media says. The dismissals of the threat were reasonable, the restrictions were extreme and destructive, and are more incensed by people misrepresenting and overselling the severity of the disease. They may feel the broader financial instability and threat is larger than the scope of the disease, even if they feel it's a legitimate threat. They are focused on those who make it seem worse than it is, and those are the destroyers and biggest threats.

The truth, like always, lies in the middle. Restoration comes from listening to and serving both. From realizing both sides are reeling and devastated.


It's easy to focus on those who exaggerate or don't take our side seriously, but all of those threats are not going away. Even if extreme lockdowns were not taken, our industries and economies would have been devastated. Even if we all assumed or adopted very wary viewpoints of the disease and isolated better, it still would have been clouded in the fog of newness, spreading and threatening without remedy or prevention. Both of those will remain the case as we reopen.
 
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You mean like everyone hear who has a steady job and no fear of losing savings and their houses telling people with no jobs to shut the fuck up and deal with the shutdown?
My company is forbidden from operating until the very last of the restrictions is lifted on large groups. Our ban will be at least 4 months and could easily last for years until a vaccine. That's without getting into whether our customer base will still be willing or able to spend when that comes around.

Of course, the flip side of that is that the inevitability of this is greater for me, with almost no chance to return to normal, so I also have little hope of this being fixed anytime soon. That surely colors my approach to this as well.
 
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