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Coronavirus (COVID-19) is too exciting for adults to discuss (CLOSED)

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MililaniBuckeye said:
Being a retiree who visits the VA center at least several times a year, I'd bet big money that over 90% of the 368 patients were not only "elderly" but also had multiple underlying factors. Not saying that hydroxychloroquine is the potential cure that some say, but using the VA hospitals is about the last place you'd want to test something that's geared for the population at large.
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This is an interesting point. My friend who is COO for that urgent care network suggested that some of the things that are being tried and seeing anecdotal support are in as much as dealing with symptoms that is allowing the virus to be burned out in the body before those other things kill ya. That would suggest that these solutions wouldn’t be overly effective for people who have comorbidity issues and would favor the younger and stronger who would naturally make it through the virus...

Again, headlines get clicks. Study details don’t.
 
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Jagdaddy said:
Although I'm not sure the families are going to be pushing that angle, and I think even the media would mostly back away (unless of course one of the kids who said "party on" when interviewed by a "news" crew croaks in which case they'll gorge on schadenfreude). Still, I'd have expected to see an occasional story about Biff Drinklots, who below off the virus until it got him, by now.
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I agree. We did see something the other day where a dad of one of the NC team posted something about not digging the shelter in place order and ended up dying... so it is out there. Likely not going to get highlighted unless you’re a body counter.
 
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Jagdaddy said:
Although I'm not sure the families are going to be pushing that angle, and I think even the media would mostly back away (unless of course one of the kids who said "party on" when interviewed by a "news" crew croaks in which case they'll gorge on schadenfreude). Still, I'd have expected to see an occasional story about Biff Drinklots, who below off the virus until it got him, by now.
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I don't think we were ever concerned about Biff himself. This one i i cant find but someone asserted (may have been Europe again) that more 100+ year olds have died that under 30. Like, how many 100 year olds are there? Anyway while it does affect younger people and we have the anecdotal cases, the death rate for a 22 year old spring breaker is gonna be miniscule. It was the "they are gonna come home and spread it to their hometown" which Im sure happened to some degree...
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Good thing we don't have any faux high ground-people around here...

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From me, from yesterday, I think:

Jagdaddy said:
There seems to be a similar tendency among some of those who would discount virus deaths for comorbidities as not "due to" the virus to project massive suicide increases increases/mental stress related deaths "due to" government policy responses (and vice-versa although I don't think I've seen as much of that here yet). In both cases, the virus' impact on a given person will tend to relate to the person's preexisting physical/mental/socioeconomic condition, but depending on one's preexisting views of government legitimacy/authority, "experts", and their fellow humans, "due to the virus" and "due to the government response" will be inflated or discounted inversely.
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MililaniBuckeye said:
So, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're essentially calling "bullshit" on Bongino's claim that his friend offed himself because he lost his job. If I'm misreading your earlier comments, let me know in what way...
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Nope. I was saying that depending on his or her preexisting views, the same person who will scoff at the notion of the virus being the cause of death for a person with preexisting conditions that created greater vulnerability to it will easily accept with little doubt the government's response to the virus as the cause of death for a person with preexisting economic or mental health circumstances that make them more vulnerable to suicide (and vice-versa).
 
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Jagdaddy said:
Nope. I was saying that depending on his or her preexisting views, the same person who will scoff at the notion of the virus being the cause of death for a person with preexisting conditions that created greater vulnerability to it will easily accept with little doubt the government's response to the virus as the cause of death for a person with preexisting economic or mental health circumstances that make them more vulnerable to suicide (and vice-versa).
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In other words, in a society that seems to feed on dual polarization at all costs, this will be the new frontier.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Good thing we don't have any faux high ground-people around here...

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As someone out of work because of this thing and no idea when things might reopen to let me get back to work and getting paid (because theme parks and cruise ships require crowds, and that's not going to go over well even when we're told we can go back to "normal"), I'm absolutely of the opinion that we need to keep a pretty tight lid on things a little while longer. I'll admit that I'm in a better position than most service industry workers (been saving for a house), and that locally, in certain regions/circumstances, things that were closed can start slowly reopening in about another month or so. But more broadly and on an a nationwide/international level, yeah, we're still a ways off from "normal" and trying to force the issue won't be good for anyone.
 
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heisman said:
No, he’s saying it’s not the sole reason his friend hung himself.
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I don't know that. But most people who lose their jobs don't commit suicide. Much like the virus for many who "die from it", losing his job might well have been the straw that broke an already weakened camel's back, in which case it may be as reasonable to attribute the suicide to that as it is to attribute the death of someone with comorbidities to the virus (albeit the former requires a bit more of a leap to make the connection). I'm just pointing out that preexisting biases lean people to weight confounding variables differently in the two cases.

Also the friend losing his job might, or might not, have been a result of government action. Many people were, to a degree at least, going to be hunkering down without stay at home orders. Does the guy still get to rage at the "faux high-ground" people if the friend lost his job just because those people limited their patronage of his employer's business of their own volition in accordance with their own risk tolerance? I also think that there are businesses (especially the big publicly held multinationals) that are or will, with government ramping up unemployment compensation, use "the government shutdown" as an excuse to trim some employee fat from their payrolls, automate more, etc.
 
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